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Hi lads

I would need your help for a second as I would like to report a job I have seen today.

Is there any email address to HSE as I would like to attach my picture.

See below

Kind regards,

Ron

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Good training subject

What makes it unsafe and why

Also what's reportable about it (eg riddor)
 
rpm said:
Nowt wrong with an open fireplace. :D
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I don’t think it’s very safe when it back ups into the living room neither proper installed. For me it’s shocking and putting his family at risk.
 
ShaunCorbs said:
Good training subject

What makes it unsafe and why

Also what's reportable about it (eg riddor)
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Do you think it’s correct when fumes backing up into the room?
Is that not shocking for you ?
I always was under the impression you take th8ngs very serious :)
If I am wrong that’s ok but have reported it just to be on the safe side.

What about spillage everywhere ?
 
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It hasn’t got any hearth which is non combustible, what about flue ? Haven’t seen any flue liner either and I was sure you will require a flue liner. What about the safety surrounding what happens when the coal is coming out onto wooden floor?
 
SimonG said:
You don't need a liner as long as the chimney is sound.

Looks like a work in progress.
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that’s actually true. But how do I know it’s sound? If he uses a fire like this I wouldn’t trust his words. However, for me it ain’t right based on spillage etc
 
Matchless.plumb said:
that’s actually true. But how do I know it’s sound? If he uses a fire like this I wouldn’t trust his words. However, for me it ain’t right based on spillage etc
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I've reported things in the past HSE not interested just wanted to know the in & outs of a cats Arse , So to be honest I cant be bothered anymore !!
 
jtsplumbing said:
I've reported things in the past HSE not interested just wanted to know the in & outs of a cats Arse , So to be honest I cant be bothered anymore !!
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That’s not correct. If they run such a company they should undertake some actions. However, I wanted to back up myself and that’s what I did.

Thanks a lot to all of you for your input
 
Matchless.plumb said:
That’s not correct. If they run such a company they should undertake some actions. However, I wanted to back up myself and that’s what I did.

Thanks a lot to all of you for your input
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they can only do something if a company has done something

if the customer has done it themselves they dont care
 
That looks like its been there for years, has it just been installed ?
 
townfanjon said:
That looks like its been there for years, has it just been installed ?
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I can’t tell you that. I assume it’s like this for some time. However, it’s not safe to use and that’s for me the priority.
 
ShaunCorbs said:
they can only do something if a company has done something

if the customer has done it themselves they dont care
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Its my understanding that HSE like to collect information and build up a file on the offending person Don't think much gets done for a one off reports, unless something serious has happened , Explosion etc.
 
Matchless.plumb said:
I can’t tell you that. I assume it’s like this for some time. However, it’s not safe to use and that’s for me the priority.
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Yes, and they will ask if your competent to judge Solid fuel installations, i.e. are you qualified ?
 
There can’t be decent chimney draw on that fire with the wide and unclosed opening. Fumes at times must be terrible in that room.
The hearth base seems to be concrete, so probably as safe as if a proper hearth was in place.
Definitely a laid back homeowner there!
 
jtsplumbing said:
Yes, and they will ask if your competent to judge Solid fuel installations, i.e. are you qualified ?
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I am not. And I do not need to be qualified to tell that this is a dangerous install / or whatever you call it. You can see it has spillage marks all over the place. Even if they asked I’d be very frank that i am not holding license but still able to judge.
 
Matchless.plumb said:
I am not. And I do not need to be qualified to tell that this is a dangerous install / or whatever you call it. You can see it has spillage marks all over the place. Even if they asked I’d be very frank that i am not holding license but still able to judge.
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wrong

how do you know its spilling fyi coal is a dirty fuel
 
Harvest Fields said:
But how do you know that it is not safe Ron?
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Spillage would be my first point. If you’d entered the property you would have smelled wrong burning or something like backing up into the room. It was very intense smell of wrong burned fuel. However, even though I am a bit more sensitive than others but never seen something like this before.
 
:D thats the first time ive know anyone be able to smell spillage

my suggestion to you leave it alone dont do anything
 
The draw from the chimney will have a route to take air direct from room and won’t draw the fire always properly, - like when a door is opened for example.
So definitely will be fumes at times, but tbh that is normal with any properly installed open fire. Also normal to get some sooting.
 
ShaunCorbs said:
:D thats the first time ive know anyone be able to smell spillage

my suggestion to you leave it alone dont do anything
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Have I ever mentioned that I can smell spillage? I said that I entered the property and it smelled of wrong burning fuel like black soot.
 
thats a coal fire for you :D
 
Well depending on how long you have been doing this job, you could see more and worse, I've seen things that would make your hair go white, B4 CORGI and the need to report everything, and still come across some very bad sights ,
 
jtsplumbing said:
Well depending on how long you have been doing this job, you could see more and worse, I've seen things that would make your hair go white, B4 CORGI and the need to report everything, and still come across some very bad sights ,
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That’s true. As I said for me it was the first time I ever came across this sort of diy fire. I trust your experience as a qualified gsr... I believe you’ve seen a lot of bad things in your career and perhaps still
 
I now ignore a lot of things I see.
Unless I am asked to touch the offending work, or there is high risk, like live wires, or flue gases danger, then most I do is just advise the customer to have the work brought up to a safer standard.
You can't force a person to have things made safe, except on gas work, as far as I know
 
Best said:
I now ignore a lot of things I see.
Unless I am asked to touch the offending work, or there is high risk, like live wires, or flue gases danger, then most I do is just advise the customer to have the work brought up to a safer standard.
You can't force a person to have things made safe, except on gas work, as far as I know
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Did you see that Best? Did I see what Harvest? Exactly Best.;);):p:p:D
 
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