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Not touched a nerve . Just making sure an unsuspecting client isn't badly advised by a plumber, regarding electrical regulations.

It's that simple.
Thanks to the forum I now know is not an 'electrical' requirement, is the dedicated circuit preferred by plumbing professional trade bodies as best practice
Vee- you can disagree with me you like, but please offer up a BS 7671 reg number to back up your position
BS7671 314.1 Every installation shall be divided into circuits, as necessary, to:
(i) avoid danger and minimise inconvenience in the event of a fault
(ii) facilitate safe inspection, testing and maintenance.
& (iv) reduce the possibility of unwanted tripping of RCD's due to excessive protective conductor (PE) currents not due to a fault
BS7671 314.2 Separate circuits shall be provided for parts of the installation which need to be separately controlled, in such way that those circuits are not affected by the failure of other circuits, and due account shall be taken of the consequences of the operation of any single protective device.
Interpretation of Best Practice within this is of course in the eye of the electrician.
 
I appreciate your logic and your quite right I would guess a whole house is above 3Kw. A jobwe did recently did surprise myself I had to double check my calcs.
A barn conversion with heat pump in mind from the beginning. The total heat loss for 3 bed, 2 en-suite, lounge dinner, large kitchen etc. etc. was just 4.2 Kw. It cost a few quid and there was plenty of non standard work but shows things can be done very well when the money is there. Sorry to hijack the post
Are there systems out there with usual pump and rads, but electric boiler? I've never seen one, not that that proves anything. I'd have thought if you were going for electric you might as well have a heater in each room, or even storage heaters.
 
BS7671 314.1 Every installation shall be divided into circuits, as necessary, to:
(i) avoid danger and minimise inconvenience in the event of a fault
(ii) facilitate safe inspection, testing and maintenance.
& (iv) reduce the possibility of unwanted tripping of RCD's due to excessive protective conductor (PE) currents not due to a fault
BS7671 314.2 Separate circuits shall be provided for parts of the installation which need to be separately controlled, in such way that those circuits are not affected by the failure of other circuits, and due account shall be taken of the consequences of the operation of any single protective device.
Interpretation of Best Practice within this is of course in the eye of the electrician.

And your point is?

The above points are relevant to new designs and considerations for changes to existing installations.

Swapping a boiler is neither of the above

You are precisely the type of individual that goes out of their way to confuse un-suspecting clients and spend unnecessary money.

A gas boiler does not need to be on a individual circuit.............

For all you know the OP may have any older fuseboard with a single upfront RCD ............. so putting in another circuit would have absolutely no benefit to him.

And new circuits fall under Part P of the building regs too.
 
Are there systems out there with usual pump and rads, but electric boiler? I've never seen one, not that that proves anything. I'd have thought if you were going for electric you might as well have a heater in each room, or even storage heaters.

Yeah potterton gold is one. Heat only electric.
 
And your point is?

The above points are relevant to new designs and considerations for changes to existing installations.

Swapping a boiler is neither of the above

You are precisely the type of individual that goes out of their way to confuse un-suspecting clients and spend unnecessary money.

A gas boiler does not need to be on a individual circuit..

For all you know the OP may have any older fuseboard with a single upfront RCD .. so putting in another circuit would have absolutely no benefit to him.

And new circuits fall under Part P of the building regs too.

Yes, but surely the minute you touch an existing installation, you start to become responsible for it?

If I have BS 3036 fuses and rubber cable in poor condition and then I replace my electric cooker with one of similar current draw to the existing one, I would not be changing an existing installation either, but can I legally do so? I know you can't do it the other way around (i.e. put a new circuit in to feed a piece of electrical equipment that is only running on Grandfathers' rights, and also in poor state), but can you do it this way round? My feeling is that, like running a new light fitting onto a circuit that would not pass an EICR, the answer is 'no'.

Having said all that, I would agree that most electricians would probably not interpret the regulations to mean a new boiler MUST be on an independent circuit, as Vee has not denied.
 
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Yes, but surely the minute you touch an existing installation, you start to become responsible for it?

If I have BS 3036 fuses and rubber cable in poor condition and then I replace my electric cooker with one of similar current draw to the existing one, I would not be changing an existing installation either, but can I legally do so? I know you can't do it the other way around (i.e. put a new circuit in to feed a piece of electrical equipment that is only running on Grandfathers' rights, and also in poor state), but can you do it this way round? My feeling is that, like running a new light fitting onto a circuit that would not pass an EICR, the answer is 'no'.

Having said all that, I would agree that most electricians would probably not interpret the regulations to mean a new boiler MUST be on an independent circuit, as Vee has not denied.

Not if all you are doing is disconnecting 1 accessory and connecting a new one.

The OP's question was does a new gas boiler (in an existing installation) need to be on a dedicated circuit.

The answer is no.

What an designer / installer would do on a refurb/ rewire / new build is a completely different question all together
 
Not if all you are doing is disconnecting 1 accessory and connecting a new one.

The OP's question was does a new gas boiler (in an existing installation) need to be on a dedicated circuit.

The answer is no.

What an designer / installer would do on a refurb/ rewire / new build is a completely different question all together
You conviently ignore the OP's question/reference of "Best Practice". I accept and did not contradict your minimum standard you wish to apply is legally acceptable. That does not make it the best way of dealing with it. Surely anyone is allowed to promote a better way of doing things in order to give customers a choice. Especially when they are informed,willing and wanting to pay for that.
 
You conviently ignore the OP's question/reference of "Best Practice". I accept and did not contradict your minimum standard you wish to apply is legally acceptable. That does not make it the best way of dealing with it. Surely anyone is allowed to promote a better way of doing things in order to give customers a choice. Especially when they are informed,willing and wanting to pay for that.

Best practice on existing installations is largely irrelevant unless it doesn't mean lifting boards, dropping ceiling and chasing walls
 
You conviently ignore the OP's question/reference of "Best Practice". I accept and did not contradict your minimum standard you wish to apply is legally acceptable. That does not make it the best way of dealing with it. Surely anyone is allowed to promote a better way of doing things in order to give customers a choice. Especially when they are informed,willing and wanting to pay for that.

I've covered this in my responses ..................... If the OP is happy to have boards lifted, walls chased, floors disturbed then its UP TO HIM

But there is absolutely NO NEED in existing installations.

Do you insist on zoning houses when you change a boiler?
 
I've covered this in my responses .... If the OP is happy to have boards lifted, walls chased, floors disturbed then its UP TO HIM

But there is absolutely NO NEED in existing installations.

Do you insist on zoning houses when you change a boiler?

Zoning is a building reg mate so it's needed
 
I've covered this in my responses .... If the OP is happy to have boards lifted, walls chased, floors disturbed then its UP TO HIM

But there is absolutely NO NEED in existing installations.

Do you insist on zoning houses when you change a boiler?
So what your point?
We obviously agree that if the OP wishes to chose Best Practice over minimum requirement he can.
The choices you offer to your unsuspecting customers is your perogative.
Sincerely hope you are reading the Building Regs before advising them on plumbing and heating.
 

Got smacked ... so when our boiler needs replacing our house has to be zoned ?

Most new boilers I see are simple like for like changes .....

One refurb I’m on, a flat isn’t zoned ...neither was the last house refurb I was on .... what are the GSR s upto then ?

Most new installs in refurbs are zoned ... but not all ....
 
Got smacked . so when our boiler needs replacing our house has to be zoned ?

Most new boilers I see are simple like for like changes ...

One refurb I’m on, a flat isn’t zoned ...neither was the last house refurb I was on .. what are the GSR s upto then ?

Most new installs in refurbs are zoned . but not all ..

Depends on system should give you an insight below

Combi boilers your fine
Heat only needs an s plan installing
Floor by floor zoning house over 150sq m
 
Depends on system should give you an insight below

Combi boilers your fine
Heat only needs an s plan installing
Floor by floor zoning house over 150sq m

Thanks - a useful "insight" - I'll have a chat with my GSR mates as and when I see them....

Our house is over 150 sq m, is S plan but has a hot water tank.......... thankfully the boiler is under 5 years old.

That said there are a few GSR's that don't realise a number of new boilers need Pl & Sl ......................
 
Thanks - a useful "insight" - I'll have a chat with my GSR mates as and when I see them..

Our house is over 150 sq m, is S plan but has a hot water tank.... thankfully the boiler is under 5 years old.

That said there are a few GSR's that don't realise a number of new boilers need Pl & Sl ..

Sorry to tar a few sparks that don't think ahead (only installing one 3 core instead of two) helps a lot when you change an old that didn't require pl or pump live

One of my pet hates
 
Sorry to tar a few sparks that don't think ahead (only installing one 3 core instead of two) helps a lot when you change an old that didn't require pl or pump live

One of my pet hates

Quite.

If in doubt I run in 5 core cable from the wiring centre to the boiler - I don't keep 4 core!
 
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