Acceptable workmanship?

[Fed up with snagging]

Hi. Still chasing our house builders regarding snagging. We have had a leak through the attic from condensation from the soil pipe. Can anyone tell me if this is acceptable workmanship? The house is one year old. Duct tape holding it together!

 

[Chalked]

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[Fed up with snagging]

 

[Chalked]

That's poor !
All it needs is shortening and supporting properly.

 

[oz-plumber]

Poor... understatement.

I'm between woeful and abysmal.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

It's not the best but that's builders for you

 

[Harvest Fields]

I bet it’s not even held in properly at the top? Mine wasn’t when I moved into a new build. Fitted a giant jubilee clip to it myself in the end.

 

[jtsplumbing]

So why not just go straight up though the roof , is this connected to a ridge vent ?

 

[Harvest Fields]

So why not just go straight up though the roof , is this connected to a ridge vent ?

I bet It will be. They all seem to be now on new builds.

 

[townfanjon]

Pathetic .... full stop

 

[snowhead]

I bet It will be. They all seem to be now on new builds.

Saves the cost and time of using Lead flashing.
Makes the property look neater,,
Until a Sky dish gets slapped on the wall..

 

[Fed up with snagging]

Thanks for feedback. The home builder is sending an inspector out to examine but I wanted some advice beforehand as they have a habit of trying to assure us that their work is valid. Just waiting on the excuse for this one. I take it the duct tape for this use is not acceptable? It certainly doesn’t look very professional! Is the flexi pipe the correct piping?
Thanks again for all your feedback.

 

[Ric2013]

Duct tape not acceptable as not considered a permanant fixing. Ask him if the vent has been air pressure tested to industry standard - 38mbar for 3 minutes - and you'll probably have him confused.

 

[Paul Styper]

They did this where I used to work only the ducting was around 6 metres long. It filled up with water and then leaked through the ceiling. I removed it and fitted a durgo valve.

 

[Fed up with snagging]

Thanks for all this info. Very useful and just what I was looking for. I took some photos today when I was up emptying the water tray AGAIN. This is how it is attached to the roof

 

[Fed up with snagging]

 

[Paul Styper]

What a mess. Just about sums up my view of the current state of British housebuildings

 

[Last Plumber]

Garbage!

 

[FunkyOstrich]

Wowzer. Is that a vent pipe for a stack?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Wowzer. Is that a vent pipe for a stack?

Yes or either a vent from an extract fan bathroom etc

 

[Vee]

Shoddy.

 

[Harvest Fields]

They all do it in new builds now. Cost and time cutting!

 

[Fed up with snagging]

Yes or either a vent from an extract fan bathroom etc

Not an extractor fan vent. Is the soil pipe.

 

[Welder]

Please remember peeps it's rarely the fault of the individual doing the work...

By the time it's subbed out 27 times, the person who ends up doing the work is forced to do it for peanuts a) because there is no money left and b) cos they are desperate to earn and feed their families. This means they'll do what's necessary (take dreadful, in our eyes, shortcuts) to make a small profit.

The real culprits here are the 'system' where no sod takes responsibility but loads & loads take the money and run...

 

[oz-plumber]

Please remember peeps it's rarely the fault of the individual doing the work...

The real culprits here are the 'system' where no sod takes responsibility but loads & loads take the money and run...

The system is not the culprit...it's the new home owner who is the culprit.
Time and time again we have visitors who have had shoddy work done on new homes - you can't completely blame the system, you have to blame the unskilled, untrained, uncaring, underling that did the work.

How about that person a month or so ago with his bathroom install.
Incorrect falls on drain, incorrect fittings, incorrect alignment of drain junction - and this bloke thought he was a plumber.
We all thought the home owner had done the work himself.

 

[Dkdc71]

Its harder to do a job wrong then it is to do it right ..this should be taught across all the construction trades . People who take pride in their work do it right first time from what I see in the trades when people hate their job they dont care whats right or wrong just do what they can get away with to cover themselves lready told a few moaning apprentices if they dont like plumbing do something else had some great lads also willing and eager to learn everything from the trade

 

[brum]

Totally disagree if you can't do the job properly then move on at the end of the day it's not always down to price there are standards we all need to adhere to and if you can't/don't then you shouldn't be doing this job .There is absolutely no excuse for inferior and shoddy workmanship...ever....brum

 

[Ric2013]

I take your point. Doing a bad job lowers the industry standard and is a bit like sawing off the branch on which you're sitting.

 

[woodsy]

Many valid points but the fault in my eyes lies with the inspectors / Nhbc who pass these properties. If they did their job correctly like people buying new properties are led to believe, then the crap workmanship could be eliminated. I carry out works in loads of new properties and from the design in terms of accessibility of serviceable items to the actual workmanship it's a disgrace. On the plus side, it gives me loads of work repairing the faults.

 

[Ric2013]

Agree. Abbey Fields estate in Colchester: all new build and, having worked on a couple, I wouldn't buy one myself. Found a 1.5" waste unclipped and shared by bath and basin in new build and running uphill to SVP - need I say more? The other trades seem to have worked to a similar 'high' standard.