Do you need a hand?

[jase158]

I did, the first 2 were wet plumbers jobs, but the links didnt work properly.

Firstly thats below minimum wage and secondly I can not survive on £40 a day.

Thats £800 a month, my rent is £650 a month, so £150 for diesel, food, electric, Gas, Phone, and so on and so on.

Now my mind really is made up, every one on here moans that there is no work, that work is being robbed off of them, but they have been doing it for 100 years, they should win all the work, i.e.

But yet you are all on here moaning to your hearts content, get a life, grow up and get on with life rather then moaning all the time. All the time spent on here could be spent winning new customers or even with your partners/ wifes/ husbands.

 

[jase158]

Sorry jase but I think you're being unrealistic. £100 a day is approx £25000 a year, I could employ someone with all their tickets & quals for that.

I wish you luck anyway

Thank you, but look at the bigger picture, £25,000 in my pocket is £12,500 to £25,000 a year extra in your pocket.

 

[PlumbersMate]

No offence jase but you are coming across as having a massive chip on your shoulder. You will probably shoot me down for saying that but it my honest opinion . Also there are hundreds of people with your skills and qualifications who would do what you are offering for half of what you are asking, especially in London! Also to say you would go self employed but can't be arsed to do the paperwork is truly laughable, don't exactly show you in the best light to any potential employers!! Ridiculous comment that makes a mockery of people who do take the time to do it and still make time for their families. If you can't be bothered to do paperwork can you be bothered to tidy up after yourself or be bothered to protect the customers property sufficiently?! Bad post IMHO

 

[SimonG]

Animosity = people having a go at me for being realistic about what i want, because they don't agree with it.

I offered my services, not opened the thread up to people to have a go at me, I asked if anybody had work instead i was met with rudeness and people disagreeing with what i want.

if you do not have a job vacancy then why reply?

I replied because I wanted to. Just as you posted because you wanted to. After all it is a public forum.

Who was rude? Yet again the toys are out the pram because you didn't get the reply you wanted.

I was trying to politely tell you to wake up and smell the coffee.

I wish you good luck, because with your attitude your gonna need it!

 

[WaterTight]

Yay! Jase158 threads are fun.

 

[SimonJohns]

Thank you, but look at the bigger picture, £25,000 in my pocket is £12,500 to £25,000 a year extra in your pocket.

You honestly think we actually earn 50k? Some training centre has really filled you full of it

 

[jase158]

No offence jase but you are coming across as having a massive chip on your shoulder. You will probably shoot me down for saying that but it my honest opinion . Also there are hundreds of people with your skills and qualifications who would do what you are offering for half of what you are asking, especially in London! Also to say you would go self employed but can't be arsed to do the paperwork is truly laughable, don't exactly show you in the best light to any potential employers!! Ridiculous comment that makes a mockery of people who do take the time to do it and still make time for their families. If you can't be bothered to do paperwork can you be bothered to tidy up after yourself or be bothered to protect the customers property sufficiently?! Bad post IMHO

true I do have a chip on my shoulder because every time I post on here I get absolutely shot down and ripped for no reason, I am extremely suprised that not one person has realised that the £100 was a negotiation price as I thought if somebody was interested we could negotiate instead I have been shot right down and made to feel like a useless piece of turd.
I never asked if any body had any opinions, simply asked if anybody had a job.

Secondly
I never said "can't be bothered" I said that I did not want to do Admin.
This isn't paper work, I am brilliant at paper work, I just can't do the collecting money from non-paying customers, dealing with complaints and doing quotes without being way off the mark. Not because I cant be bothered but because I look very young and I do not get taken seriously and I get treated like a mug because I am too soft, there is only so much you can learn in books and at college a work place attitude is only learnt from being on site.

My best bet is Agency work, 9am to 5pm work.
Went to agency the other day they had a job £10 an hour for 40 hours a week, as an electricians mate, something I know nothing about.

 

[Ian1964]

I got about 4 quotes for simply replacing my combi with a new one, and the best quote was 2000.
The parts were only just over 1000, so I paid about 900 labour for a couple of blokes to fit the boiler.
They started at 8am, and 7 hours later the job was done.
So that is 450/day labour / person
2000 per week if they keep it up
So based on that job, its 100k per year.

British gas quoted 3400 for the job, and the other quotes I got were all well over 2k.
When I told them the parts were no more than 1100 max, they said there was other work involved, and estimated 1 day for 2 people. Installation couldnt have been simpler. Just a boiler and some in line water conditioners.

So based on this, I recon a plumber could reach 50k per year very easily.

 

[SimonJohns]

A good start for negotiating would of been offering to pay a plumber to take you

You have been a member long enough to know how many we get comin on here offering their time for free

 

[jase158]

I got about 4 quotes for simply replacing my combi with a new one, and the best quote was 2000.
The parts were only just over 1000, so I paid about 900 labour for a couple of blokes to fit the boiler.
They started at 8am, and 7 hours later the job was done.
So that is 450/day labour / person
2000 per week if they keep it up
So based on that job, its 100k per year.

British gas quoted 3400 for the job, and the other quotes I got were all well over 2k.
When I told them the parts were no more than 1100 max, they said there was other work involved, and estimated 1 day for 2 people. Installation couldnt have been simpler. Just a boiler and some in line water conditioners.

So based on this, I recon a plumber could reach 50k per year very easily.

if only we all had work every single day.

 

[SimonJohns]

if only we all had work every single day.

Your just babbling now

 

[jase158]

A good start for negotiating would of been offering to pay a plumber to take you

You have been a member long enough to know how many we get comin on here offering their time for free

Can you please tell me how I am going to eat and drive to work every day?
How would I pay a plumber with no money coming in?
And all the other prople on here have only just completed level 2 NVQ or Tech Cert and looking for training, I am not asking for training, what I am asking for is experience.

 

[PlumbersMate]

Agree with Simon . If you wanted to negotiate you could have asked for a trial period, your post came across as you being 'willing' to work for 100 a day, if i got offered 100 a day I would walk over hot coals for the chance, but I would never fish for work asking for 100 a day. And in reply to earlier person saying about could easily reach 100k you are right, IF THE WORK WAS THERE!

 

[SimonJohns]

Can you please tell me how I am going to eat and drive to work every day?
How would I pay a plumber with no money coming in?
And all the other prople on here have only just completed level 2 NVQ or Tech Cert and looking for training, I am not asking for training, what I am asking for is experience.

Get a part time job. Sacrifice everything and work so incredibly hard that it will pay off. And all perspective employers will recognise how hard you have tried and you may have more chance of getting a job

Plumbing is more about who you know and when your working as one and meeting the right people. You never know

I work as many hours as I can and socialise in the right circles. Hopefully I will make it one day

 

[jase158]

Your just babbling now

I aint babbling, I know that there isn't work every day, I know that work is hard to come by and people spend a lot of money and time getting it and put a lot of effort in to what they do, but i never asked for a job 5 days a week.

 

[Ian1964]

The plumbers I contacted we so busy I had to wait 2 weeks for them to find a 1 day slot to change my combi.
Some plumbers were busy up till Feb 2012!
There is no shortage of work, just a shortage of plumbers. Well - Hampshire anyway

 

[jase158]

Agree with Simon . If you wanted to negotiate you could have asked for a trial period, your post came across as you being 'willing' to work for 100 a day, if i got offered 100 a day I would walk over hot coals for the chance, but I would never fish for work asking for 100 a day. And in reply to earlier person saying about could easily reach 100k you are right, IF THE WORK WAS THERE!

If i turned around and said £100 a day but negotiable then if anybody had taken it seriously they would have rung up and said "£30 per day, you said negotiable"

 

[desrob]

Can you please tell me how I am going to eat and drive to work every day?
How would I pay a plumber with no money coming in?
And all the other prople on here have only just completed level 2 NVQ or Tech Cert and looking for training, I am not asking for training, what I am asking for is experience.

no ... i would not employ a fast tracker, especially one with a chip on ones shoulder...or and your too dear for someone with little experience

 

[PlumbersMate]

My apologies, it said 50k. Jase if you can get the work mate I would happily go round and collect money for you. My post wasnt intended to rip you, just a bit of constructive criticism. I am new to plumbing and I am in pretty much in the same boat as you, but I am doing ok working for myself, anything that is too big for me, I get my friend to help who is a plumber, anything I feel comfortable doing I do myself and slowly I am getting busier. With regards to getting quotes wrong, just go in with what you feel the job is worth, don't sell yourself short just to steal work, but don't charge the earth neither, it's hard to find a balance but dot expect to be stacked out, especially London there is so much competition

 

[jase158]

The plumbers I contacted we so busy I had to wait 2 weeks for them to find a 1 day slot to change my combi.
Some plumbers were busy up till Feb 2012!
There is no shortage of work, just a shortage of plumbers. Well - Hampshire anyway

True True.

I go to customers and they say they rung 5-6 plumbers and that its a 2-3 month wait for a days work.
I speak to plumbers and they say booked for 2-3 months ahead.
Yet there is a shortage of work.

 

[PlumbersMate]

Def no shortage of plumbers round my way, I'm moving to Hampshire ! Lol

 

[SimonJohns]

True True.

I go to customers and they say they rung 5-6 plumbers and that its a 2-3 month wait for a days work.
I speak to plumbers and they say booked for 2-3 months ahead.
Yet there is a shortage of work.

If there is no shortage of work. You got a van. As they say down my way. On your bike

 

[Barry98]

Let's play nice people

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

yes the tones turning a bit nasty

 

[Hybrid]

http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/members/ian1964.htmlIan1964 you assume those jobs come along every week but they don't. You're also forgetting to subtract tax, ni, insurance and other overheads of which there are many.

jase158 your constant bleating about people being rude is really tiresome, no one was rude or abusive to you and neither did they rip into you. I get that you're a bit thin skinned but that's no one else's fault but your own.

The only way you'll make money in this game is to be business savvy and have the experience to not make costly mistakes. You're finally realising why a piece of c&g headed paper isn't the key to a prosperous future, don't blame us for the state of the market.

 

[dontknowitall]

I got about 4 quotes for simply replacing my combi with a new one, and the best quote was 2000.
The parts were only just over 1000, so I paid about 900 labour for a couple of blokes to fit the boiler.
They started at 8am, and 7 hours later the job was done.
So that is 450/day labour / person
2000 per week if they keep it up
So based on that job, its 100k per year.

British gas quoted 3400 for the job, and the other quotes I got were all well over 2k.
When I told them the parts were no more than 1100 max, they said there was other work involved, and estimated 1 day for 2 people. Installation couldnt have been simpler. Just a boiler and some in line water conditioners.

So based on this, I recon a plumber could reach 50k per year very easily.

My reply is off topic but there's much less profit than implied in this post.

 

[desrob]

interesting thread some joker entertaing the masses.....go jase i57.

 

[BLOD]

Def no shortage of plumbers round my way, I'm moving to Hampshire ! Lol

think I'm going to open a B&B

 

[PlumbBobBob]

I am looking for a plumber who is willing to take me on at a cost of £100 per day.

i don't read it as negotiable jase.

 

[REDSAW]

I got about 4 quotes for simply replacing my combi with a new one, and the best quote was 2000.
The parts were only just over 1000, so I paid about 900 labour for a couple of blokes to fit the boiler.
They started at 8am, and 7 hours later the job was done.
So that is 450/day labour / person
2000 per week if they keep it up
So based on that job, its 100k per year.

British gas quoted 3400 for the job, and the other quotes I got were all well over 2k.
When I told them the parts were no more than 1100 max, they said there was other work involved, and estimated 1 day for 2 people. Installation couldnt have been simpler. Just a boiler and some in line water conditioners.

So based on this, I recon a plumber could reach 50k per year very easily.

you forgot to ad the boiler manufacturers turn out these boilers for £135 each after cost so are making over £600 profit each. not,
your assuming it is all profit mate, ask your boss at work 'why pay me so much when your time is free'?. then have a wee think of what your saying.imo.

 

[Destroyer2813]

With regards to paperwork, im self employed have a young son of 14 months old sometimes i leave for work before he gets up and sometimes i dont get home till hes gone to bed and sometimes i miss bedtime going to look at jobs and then paperwork to try and fit in as well but i find the time, wanna do the best i can to make my business grow and earn the best i can to support my family.

 

[jase158]

have fun argueing with yourselves as too bored now, playing with words is a fun game but not really my cup of tea,

How many Plumbers does it take to say No.........

 

[desrob]

have fun argueing with yourselves as too bored now, playing with words is a fun game but not really my cup of tea,

How many Plumbers does it take to say No.........

no...your funny,,....!

 

[WaterTight]

paperwork is the aspect of the job that bothers me the least. it doesn't involve kneeling down or fighting with some stubborn fitting, if you put it off for a few days nobody phones you up and complains and if you are so inclined in can come with a sit down, some music and a side order of oven chips.

 

[PlumbBobBob]

well according to the count at the bottom it's 21