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  1. Paul Shuff

    Paul Shuff New Member

    Hi all
    our kitchen ceiling had to come down, so while all the building work is being done we also decided to have a new ch system fitted with combi boiler. above kitchen i get home to find boiler fitted but instead of dropping pipes down from boiler and fitting along joists the plumber gone straight along bottom wall it looks ghastly?
    please see pictures it will explain more...
    why has he not just dropped pipes and up again where needed, he said something about fire risk fitting copper joints near new joists?
    Im confused... 20170730_114047.jpg 20170730_114159.jpg 20170806_122315.jpg 20170806_122324.jpg 20170806_122335.jpg
    cheers 20170730_114047.jpg 20170730_114159.jpg 20170806_122315.jpg 20170806_122324.jpg 20170806_122335.jpg
  2. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Looks like laziness

    Any chance of a pic from below of the boiler up to make sure there's nothing in the way
  3. Paul Shuff

    Paul Shuff New Member

    hi im at work but thanks for your quick reply, ill get a photo tonight lookinh up when i get home..
  4. bacon_sandwich

    bacon_sandwich GSR

    Just reminded me of yesterday, added two rads to an existing system, used soldered end feed fittings. Managed to set all fire detectors off and i had to put the floor joist out with a spray water bottle, happy days...
    I am sure he could have routed the pipes more elegantly but its much more work and certainly needs carefully planning to solder, otherwise its push fit/compression fittings, yuck.
  5. Ant Parkes

    Ant Parkes Plumber

    LOL. Soldering anywhere can be a fire risk. All he had to do was either keep them away from joists where possible and use a mat.

    People get away with this stuff?

    Would say lazy, as the above is the easiest route. However, did you ask for them not to be on show?
  6. SimonG

    SimonG Trusted Plumber Top Contributor!!

    Is he a dwarf?
  7. Ant Parkes

    Ant Parkes Plumber

    I thought that. The window cill is low too!
  8. Paul Shuff

    Paul Shuff New Member

    Hi engineer
    heres the piccy you wanted looking up from kitchen at where the bottom of boiler is..
    many thanks guys for all your input, well its all working well at least. the rest of the work has been fine, also i got discount. i can now get it all boxed in and make things neater.
    paul plu.jpg
  9. Harvest Fields

    Harvest Fields Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Please tell me that is not a compression elbow on the gas pipe which will be in an inaccessible place?????????? I also thought you should not have plastic fittings within 1 meter of the tails of the boiler? (Or is that just flow and return?) Any chance that you can also show us where the condense pipe runs inside and out please.
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  10. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Spot on was just about to say hope that middle pipe isn't gas

    Also hot and cold are fine distance wise but that's a mess seriously I would get that re done not acceptable
  11. Harvest Fields

    Harvest Fields Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    As above. I would want more then a discount. I would want that fixed to how I would expect it to be. (The bits under the floor). I am not sure if this has been answered or not. But did the engineer say it would be run under the floor or was the pipework not mentioned
  12. pipeman-

    pipeman- Plumber GSR

    Some people have no pride in there work ,just looking for the dosh
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  13. Bogart

    Bogart Member

    As Harvest Fields says should not be a compression fitting where access is limited and I think between flooring and plasterboard is a definite no go area. The boiler manual will tell you how long a run in copper you need before switching to plastic.
  14. Harvest Fields

    Harvest Fields Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    True there mate. It actually makes me sad that people pay out there good hard earned cash and get engineers that do work like that. It wouldn't surprise me if that was not even a cheap install.
  15. snowhead

    snowhead Well-Known Member

    Continued assasination by the Internet;

    Heating flow / return are copper around the wall, so no issue with plastic too close to the boiler.

    If that was mine, I'd have run the heating flow and return down from the boiler into the floor, straight across to the other side of the room, supported on noggins.
    Then up onto the wall and tidied up the pipework into the corner.
    I'd have run the Hot and cold the same route, avoiding drilling the joists to the right.

    Re the gas, of the 3 pipes the choice is Plastic, Compression elbow, plastic.
    None of them fit the requirements for Gas.
    I hope the gas pipe hasn't been notched into those nice new joists.

    The cable seems to be self supporting .
  16. robj20

    robj20 Member

    Got stressed plastic fittings as well with pipes pulling on the fitting. No wonder plastic gets a bad rep.
  17. Stigster

    Stigster Plumber

    Yeah I was going to mention that but you got there first. There must be a fair bit of strain on that plastic tee. I've seen them split when installed like that.
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  18. Darren Jackson

    Darren Jackson Plumber GSR

    He could have easily run the pipes under the floor and securely clipped to the joists or supported on noggings, darn lazy and untidy work it is! And the 22mm brass compression elbow on the gas pipe is not even allowed a definite no no. It needs to be a pulled bend or a soldered joint under a floor. the plastic piping is under stress and could likely lead to future problems with leaks, and end up needing another new ceiling. This work really needs to be done again properly and using the correct gas fittings before the plasterboards are put up. Also a good idea to pressure test before the new ceiling goes up.
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  19. Ant Parkes

    Ant Parkes Plumber

    Too true. Makes me sad too. It's what gives us a bad name.

    Not currently GSR but my Dad has been since the Gas Board was about and he always says the same thing.

    They tend to undercut you but the install wont last 5 minutes so you have to go back and put their crappy work right. When, it could have been done properly in the first place, had they some price in their work in the first place.

    Damn shocking!

    The installer probably has as an excuse for using that compression elbow on the gas, in a non-accessible place. Like.. too close to a joist or better yet, too close to the meter to solder... If he is (which I doubt looking at this) GSR, he needs to book his ideas up.
  20. oilmark

    oilmark New Member

    The holes in the joists are too close to the end of joist. Think they need to be 1/4 length of joist out?
  21. mikeygas

    mikeygas Plumber GSR

    As oil mark has said, this guy doesn't know his building regs for locations for drilling and notching joists.

    Notches are 0.07 to 0.25 of width of span.

    Drill holes are 0.25 to 0.4 of width of span.

    In a nutshell notches are closer to walls and drill holes are more towards the centre of the room.
  22. Dkdc71

    Dkdc71 Member

    Maybe he was hoping you where getting wardrobes fitted to cover pipework ask him
  23. Dkdc71

    Dkdc71 Member

    Tees and elbows look under strain asking for trouble well spotted
  24. Paul Shuff

    Paul Shuff New Member

    well thanks guys for all your input, ive already paid for the work, im worried about the stress on those plastic pipes as mentioned, regards the pipes going round room, im going to call him back and see what he says..
    thanks agn for all input...
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  25. Harvest Fields

    Harvest Fields Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Even though you have paid. You will still be protected if the work is not correct. I would still contact them to correct.
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