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  1. robbb

    robbb Member

    Hi,

    Having a bit of a shocker with my current bathroom install which is leading me to question the entire work that my plumber / bathroom installer is in the middle of the job ( I posted on tiling forum the extent of the poor workmanship of tiles). Wondered the thoughts from all the pros on here for the boiler install.

    This is a relocation into the loft of a new WB 18KW boiler (12 rads and hot water tank). 2 Mira Mode showers with pumps.

    Doesn’t look the neatest to me, but does everything look how it should? Anything I need to chat to him about? It’s not tested or on yet so needs finalising.

    I’d have expected it all to look better arranged and neater to be honest but safety is the prime concern. 0146A8F7-F41E-4F5E-A2B8-519221F6501B.jpeg

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    Cheers,
    Rob
     
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  2. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    I would say unacceptable

    No clips on the waste pipe
    Flue doesn't look to have enough clips
    Flue not screwed at joints
    F and e tank looks like it's going to be pumping over (I would of sealed the system)
    Shower mixer/pumps in plastic
    Pipework not insulated
    No clips / not many on the install

    Is he gas safe registered?
     
  3. Ric2013

    Ric2013 Plumber Top Contributor!!

    Is this for real, or is this a college fault-finding exercise? It's messy, that's certain.

    I'm going to list 5 faults out of many, then I'm busy.

    1. Gate valves with handle on top - any debris will stop the valve shutting.
    2. Condensate white waste pipe - not clipped properly, nor is most of the pipework, particularly near the pump - is that pump sitting on a bit of wood and what is that white stuff hanging out of the pump valve to pump union - should have used a proper washer, but looks like PTFE?
    3. Soil and Vent pipe terminating in a loft. Should terminate outside.
    4. I'm not sure that water storage cistern is big enough to feed 2 pumped showers - Mira digital showers require 230l storage cistern as a minimum and the cold feed to cylinder should be higher than the cold feeds to the shower units.
    5. There should be a minimum of 25mm thickness lagging on all those water pipes and there isn't space between them for that.

    I'm not a Gas Safe person, so won't comment on the boiler side of it.

    I'm assuming the water cistern was already like that, so not part of your installer's remit?
     
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  4. Ric2013

    Ric2013 Plumber Top Contributor!!

    Is he even a plumber?
     
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  5. robbb

    robbb Member

    Just as I thought. Just ran one of the showers (albeit off immersion in 166l hw tank) and got 11:36 minutes of hot water.

    I’ve got a lot to sort out.
     
  6. robbb

    robbb Member

    Thanks. I don’t know as he got someone else in to do this work. By the way there is more to the story. This only happened as a result of the existing Potterton boiler having a huge issue mid way through the work that was carried out, after a new hw tank was installed we couldn’t get the heating back on.

    Next day he arrived and discovered this (bet you’re going to love this):

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    Yes, that is molten metal in the boiler. He’s installed the new system for free (I’ve had to pay for the boiler and pump/flue etc).
     
  7. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Boiler fires with no water in it, rookie mistake

    Baxi or potterton solo
     
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  8. robbb

    robbb Member

    Potterton Promax SL
     
  9. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Rebadged baxi they were good boilers but know to have issues like yours
     
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  10. robbb

    robbb Member

    So it’s likely that was as a result of the works carried out here? Or a coincidence? It happened after they had installed a new hot water cylinder.
     
  11. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Yes prob ran/fired dry
     
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  12. Ric2013

    Ric2013 Plumber Top Contributor!!

    That's my biggest fear. In fact I'll probably have nightmares tonight.

    It's why I am really pleased whenever I find a boiler with an isolator or an integral off switch so I can get the pump up and running first and make certain there's some water going round.
     
  13. townfanjon

    townfanjon Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Lost for words on this one , its just ******* *****.
    I would nt let him back in my house .
     
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  14. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Or turn the boiler thermostat all the way down ;)
     
  15. Harvest Fields

    Harvest Fields Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    ......???????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!***###***^^<<~~*****.?:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:Crap engineers***##**##****
     
  16. robbb

    robbb Member

    Thanks for all the comments. He’s coming round tomorrow morning to discuss the bathroom work that has taken place. I have already paid £5.3k.

    I’m so annoyed.

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  17. robbb

    robbb Member

    Do I have a case to raise around safety with the plumbing?
     
  18. townfanjon

    townfanjon Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    I have not read all the comments pal but my answer is yes .
    Tiling is ***** too , honestly sorry !!
     
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  19. robbb

    robbb Member

    That’s what started it all off. Wasn’t happy with the tiling so started digging deeper to find anything else that I thought might not be up to standard.
     
  20. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    You can tell how good he is look at the chrome whindow edging :D not even attempted to do a mitre
     
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  21. robbb

    robbb Member

    If anyone would be so kind to help me understand a bit more around the safety aspects of it that’d really help. Happy to swing over a donation via PayPal for someones time, as it will really help me with the conversation tomorrow. I can get more pics if needed.

    This has been something our family has been saving up for a long time and we are bitterly disappointed, with 2 young kids and Xmas round the corner we are worried that we will have no working bathroom or heating (everyone that’s good around my area in Surrey seems full on booked into the new year).

    Lesson learned :(
     
  22. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Safety issue would be the boiler install and flue, already made a quick list above
     
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  23. townfanjon

    townfanjon Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Rob , no doubt this install will get into our trade mags , prepare to be made famous !!

    It maybe the angle of the pic, but correct me if I am wrong but is the boiler leaning back and the mounting bracket holding the boiler up is screwed to a piece of 2 “ x 1 “
     
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  24. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Angle of pic but wouldn't surprise me if it is out

    And correct also boiler is hung with dry wall screws :D
     
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  25. robbb

    robbb Member

    Installed to plasterboard and yep looks like 2x1. I think it’s the photo angle making it look a bit off
     
  26. Harvest Fields

    Harvest Fields Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    I am also confused to where the gas pipe has come from/going to?
     
  27. robbb

    robbb Member

    Boiler was in airing cupboard directly below. They’ve decided to fit it in the loft now (which I don’t necessarily mind) but would like to have been consulted with on location etc. Have lost about 6 foot of storage space!
     
  28. Harvest Fields

    Harvest Fields Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    It looks like it goes out the bottom of the boiler then up into the air? From the first pic
     
  29. Ric2013

    Ric2013 Plumber Top Contributor!!

    Autobleeds on the flow and return, I think, Harvest?
     
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  30. SavageW

    SavageW Plumber GSR

    Not excusing the work done,but the original cylinder install wouldn’t have caused that issue with your original potterton,they have a flow switch which needs to operate before the boiler fires or you get dry fire lockout (unless it was stuck in the made position :()
     
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  31. Harvest Fields

    Harvest Fields Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    I am clearly to tired. What is going on with me tonight??:p:pI am going home now anyway. I have had enough.:p
     
  32. robbb

    robbb Member

    More pics, showing airing cupboard where original Potterton was and piping up to loft.

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  33. Ric2013

    Ric2013 Plumber Top Contributor!!

    Where did he learn to solder like that? I had a joint go wrong the other day and it ended up better than that.

    Here's a safety one then. Did he make the holes in that Artex?

    Artex of a certain age very often contains white asbestos (chrysotile asbestos). I wonder if he's qualified to be legally allowed to touch it and if the proper precautions were taken? How old is that Artex, do you think? Has it been sampled for asbestos? It may not contain asbestos, but potential asbestos containing materials (ACM's) should always be treated as if they did contain asbestos until proven otherwise. The proper precautions are quite stringent - see the HSE website on how asbestos is supposed to be handled - there is an article on textured coatings. In fairness, it does look as if he's broken the Artex, rather than drill it, so this will have released fewer fibres than drilling it, at least.
     
  34. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Old flue hole
     
  35. Ric2013

    Ric2013 Plumber Top Contributor!!

    What about the smaller holes for the two 22mm pipes? (sorry, can't figure out what they are).
     
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