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Unvented cylinder not conforming to G3 regs, D1 pipe goes up to outside ground level with no tundish?Photo053.jpg

Do you report to building control and then alter to regulations, the property has lots of problems like this and the contractors who did the work have refused to put right any work.
 
upto customer to complain, just put everything right and list faults to customer and let them complain with photographic evidence.
 
Maybe take some before and after pictures could be handy if he has to claim costs back from original installer🙂regards turnpin
 
The water is going to discharge from the prv's at atleast a pressure of 3bar. 6" of going up hill won't affect anyone.

Personally I wouldn't worry or rock the boat. Noone seems to police the unvented regs. It's got the prvs and will fail to safe.

Makes a mockery of the regs and ticket but it's something that usually gets ignored by everybody except for us professionals who do everything the correct way


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The water is going to discharge from the prv's at atleast a pressure of 3bar. 6" of going up hill won't affect anyone.

Personally I wouldn't worry or rock the boat. Noone seems to police the unvented regs. It's got the prvs and will fail to safe.

Makes a mockery of the regs and ticket but it's something that usually gets ignored by everybody except for us professionals who do everything the correct way


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Going up hill is extremely bad news.
 
The water is going to discharge from the prv's at atleast a pressure of 3bar. 6" of going up hill won't affect anyone.

Personally I wouldn't worry or rock the boat. Noone seems to police the unvented regs. It's got the prvs and will fail to safe.

Makes a mockery of the regs and ticket but it's something that usually gets ignored by everybody except for us professionals who do everything the correct way


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Well lets hope mr ecowarm does not think like this....
 
The water is going to discharge from the prv's at atleast a pressure of 3bar. 6" of going up hill won't affect anyone.

Personally I wouldn't worry or rock the boat. Noone seems to police the unvented regs. It's got the prvs and will fail to safe.

Makes a mockery of the regs and ticket but it's something that usually gets ignored by everybody except for us professionals who do everything the correct way


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I see this sort of thing and I can honestly say that I truly dispair.
As everyone has said you should not have a safety discharge pipe facing up hill it is obvious why and if you do not know then you need to resit yer unvented course
 
it is absolutely essential to have a visible means of knowing that the prv or tprv are blowing i.e. a tundish. how are you going to get this to work when the pipe is flowing uphill? surely it will just overflow. for safeties sake this cannot be left as it is.
 
the main consideration is if there has ever been a discharge, there will be water in the pipe, it is technically feasable that the room that it is in could freeze say the heating is turned off but the cylinder is still on, therefore you could technically have an Ice plug, you therefore no longer have safety valve
 
To alter to regs is going to be a big job for you you will need to raise the cylinders to the appropriate height for the 300mm of down facing pipe before tundish
Ifit has already past building control can't see them being to bothered about it to be honest
 
Just an update, it was signed off by a competant person??? I've seen all the paperwork?? Nobody was interested and the customer wouldn't pay for the alteration and was happy with the paperwork she had to say it was installed by a competant person? What else can you do?
 
Just an update, it was signed off by a competant person??? I've seen all the paperwork?? Nobody was interested and the customer wouldn't pay for the alteration and was happy with the paperwork she had to say it was installed by a competant person? What else can you do?

id still put it in writing to them as your the last one there... some ppl just dont listen. well at least you told them.
 
I've come across a few horrors when sorting unvented cylinders for people.

Fitted one last saturday, and actually got my BPEC book out to make sure the install was 100% spot on. In my opinion there's no shame in getting the books out and ensuring everything complies perfectly. I hadn't fitted one for a couple of years and even though I've fitted dozens I just wanted to ensure it was right. Some people just don't care if its right or wrong, just that it gets done quick..
 
Just realised thats complete tosh, I fitted one a couple of months ago in a loft...(not my favoured posistion) warned customer (builder) about lagging and the risk or freezing.

Still my point stands!!
 
Update to this, on site for last 2 days checking everything.

This cylinder is now turned off, aswel as the problem above the two port valve was getting a feed back from a underfloor manifold that had an other mains feed to it from a separate distribution board and a switch live back to main junction box, when that underfloor called for heat the 2 port for the unvented cylinder opened and would not have shut even when the thermal cut out operated!

In another area a Unihub tank in tank thermal store, basicly a thermal store with an unvented cylinder inside had no combinded thermostat/ thermal cut out in the unvented cylinder because the pipework had been fitted over the pocket, at the bottom of the store is another pocket that is supposed to have a stat set at 40c for the underfloor to be run from, this is where the thermostat/ thermal cut out had been fitted. Incorrectly installed D1 pipework.

another area another unvented with incorrectly installed d1 pipework.

All three systems are supposed to be controlled by one of these http://www.radiantcontrol.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/d360e.pdf with a mixer valve, not one even wired only a very expensive read out for the outside temp.

All either made safe or turned off untill defects sorted out.

Will post some pics tomorrow
 

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