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Discuss Condensate pipe terminates into neighbours gutter, is this ok? in the Central Heating Forum area at UKPlumbersForums.co.uk.

  1. moonlight

    moonlight Plumber GSR

    I have never seen one of these, I would always look at the installation documents.
    They are filling the heating system from the hot water. .
     
  2. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Gloworm re badge
     
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  3. moonlight

    moonlight Plumber GSR

    Thanks ShaunCorbs. I don't fit those either.
     
  4. goz666

    goz666 GSR

    Nice bit of bonding wouldn't go amiss either, looks like pants if I'm honest.
     
  5. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    may i ask why, the case is metal, so if the pipes are bonded at source eg water and gas no need to bond at boiler
     
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  6. Harvest Fields

    Harvest Fields Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    I do agree with you mate. But looking at the quality of the install, I would not be prepared to take that fact as a given. Safe electrical isolation would be the first thing that I did on that one before I did anything else.
     
  7. goz666

    goz666 GSR

    Something we always do Shaun as a matter of course in areas of humidity or areas around sinks etc. If it was away from the sink or kitchen, off in a cupboard somewhere I wouldn't bother.
     
  8. Darren Jackson

    Darren Jackson Plumber GSR

    Good spot Scott it is on the hot isn't it. Another defect to add to the list that needs correcting.
     
  9. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    so you would bond all the pipes together that arnt earthed anywhere, theres no point
     
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  10. Darren Jackson

    Darren Jackson Plumber GSR

    I do think, but not 100% sure without checking Mi's that you can run upto a meter of gas pipe in 15mm. Providing it's not under gassed and pressure loss is no more than 1mbar from gas meter to inlet. And gas rate checks out. They did gas rate it didn't they!!! Surley they did.
     
  11. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    that make no sense, so you would bond the sink top, baths , rads in bathrooms etc
     
  12. Harvest Fields

    Harvest Fields Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    No mate. Something BG hammered into me. I would test for bonding and if there was not any I would instruct the customer that they need it doing at the gas meter. At least then the boiler would be bonded.
     
  13. goz666

    goz666 GSR

    We bond the five pipes under the boiler, it came about years ago during a Corgi inspection and the Inspector asked us why the boiler hadn't been bonded across the pipework when it was in a kitchen almost the same as the one in the pic, we explained that it wasn't something we did and he said from now on in areas of high humidity I want to see the boiler pipework bonded. Done it ever since, right or wrong we still do it.
     
  14. Darren Jackson

    Darren Jackson Plumber GSR

    We don't cross bond anymore 17th threw that one out. Main ecopotential only and a must.
     
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  15. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    as they used to charge more for it at the boiler and then charge for the main :)
     
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  16. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    did you ask him why ????? elec regs dont require it or gas regs
     
  17. goz666

    goz666 GSR

    Nah Mate just did it, must admit though in this area most boilers we go to have been bonded across flow, dhw, gas, cold and return. A mate of mine was ranting the other week that all this bonding should be done by leccys. He still bonds the pipework as most lads seem to round here.
     
  18. Harvest Fields

    Harvest Fields Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Very very true. I am not bothered about bonding at appliance as long as it is there elsewhere. But on all my installs I check they have it and if not I get them to get a sparky to do it for them. Ie at the meter or cold water pipework
     
  19. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    and these days you have rcd which require them to be bonded if its an old 3036 its ncs anyway
     
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  20. king of pipes

    king of pipes Trusted Plumber GSR

    All the guys have coverd everything but i must say it is a very poor install for the money you paid you should have got a better quality boiler and tidyer job than that hope it gets sorted regards kop
     
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  21. cr0ft

    cr0ft Trusted Plumber GSR

    Just to clear up the bonding issue (as an electrician), if the power supply to the boiler is RCD protected then no cross bonding is required. All of the pipes coming into the boiler are attached to the boiler case which is earthed back through the earth busbar on the consumer unit. No point in adding work for the sake of it!
     
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    Last edited: Apr 20, 2017
  22. Fiona

    Fiona New Member

    Thanks so much for all your feedback!

    We had him in this morning and everything that was raised has been seen to. But just to clarify for those wondering, yes the benchmark was completed in full in which it was stated the system had been flushed. We have also since received the GSR certificate for the job but I have also requested an inspection so hopefully we have someone in soonish to ok it all.

    Strangely though I ended up contacting an expert via ciphe.org.uk and received the following -
    "it is ok to discharge the condense into that rainwater guttering provided the owner of that guttering agrees". Obviously they weren't happy with it hence the looking into this in the first place but its interesting to see it being ok after all that has been said.

    Anyway, hopefully its all resolved now and we have happy neighbours again.

    Thanks for your help!
    Fiona
     
  23. scott_d

    scott_d Plumber GSR

    It can only go to rain water if neutralised or it's a combined rain water and sewage drain.

    Was the filling loop connected to the hot water?
     
  24. leesparkykent

    leesparkykent S. Mod

    The only place boiler pipework needs bonding is if its installed in a bathroom that's been wired to pre 17th edition (so no RCD on bathroom circuits) as all extraneous conductive parts and exposed conductive parts in that location require cross bonding so in the event of a fault the extraneous and exposed conductive parts are at the same potential.
     
  25. magicno1

    magicno1 GSR

    Double check valve installed wrong! Should be on the cold inlet guys!
    Sorry to say but Rouge Traders may like this one!
     
  26. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Doesn't have to be on the cold side, some say cold some heating

    I like cold myself as you can drain the heating down easily via the valve
     
  27. Darren Jackson

    Darren Jackson Plumber GSR

    The Mi's state the filling loop should from the cold with a check valve to the return pipe with a check valve. This one is connected to the hot pipe minus the check valve and to the flow pipe. The Mi's also stress the gas pipe should a minimum of 22mm from a governed meter to the appliance. It is 15mm on this installation. And yes you can run the condensate to a rain water gutter that was not really the problem. But at has to be to a combined rain/foul drain. And be at least 1/14" external piping and be insulated...And you have to have the permission of the people it belongs to...
     
  28. Boilers

    Boilers New Member

    £2500 for a heatline...!! Wow fitter must be racking it in on that one
     
  29. Leezygeezer

    Leezygeezer GSR

    If a gas safe inspector goes to that, the installer will have to return and correct several installation defects just from what is evident on the photographs.
    Condensate pipe is undersized, unsupported and not lagged, termination point is dubious, external flue not sealed, filling loop still connected and apparently to hot not cold, there's also a possibility of the gas supply pipe work being undersized
     
  30. Darren Jackson

    Darren Jackson Plumber GSR

    Hi Fiona, has the Gas safe inspector turned up yet & if so what was the outcome? I'm still a bit concerned for you on this one.
     
  31. magicno1

    magicno1 GSR

    Water regs!
     
  32. ShaunCorbs

    ShaunCorbs S. Mod Trusted Plumber GSR Top Contributor!!

    Yes all you need is either a double check on the heating or the cold water side and complys with regs

    It's just either the braided hose could contain mains water or heating water depending on how / where your check valves are
     
  33. cr0ft

    cr0ft Trusted Plumber GSR

    Eek, should have remembered about bathrooms. Completely forgot about them as I've never installed a boiler in one tbh. Also if I was, I'd be selling them a consumer unit upgrade anyway to avoid cross bonding as it looks ugly :)

    Going off to flog myself for providing non-trusted advice there..
     
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