Gas work for family

[fuzzy]

your wrong read the regs carefully

i have and i am 100% correct, read gas reg 3 (1)

 

[sparky]

So can i or cant i? haha

 

[oldplumber]

I cannt see any reference to financial reward in the regs however part 2 defines work and unless you are competant then you cant work on gas for reward or not. To be allowed to work on gas items etc you must be competant and this is defined as having the correct qualifications to allow you to register with gas safe and this then allows you to be insured to work on the gas side in any property. So if your covered by your employer to work but not self emplloyed, you cant work in accordance with e regs on your own or other friends kit.. Simply put this is to ensure you are covered by insurance etc and if you do cock up somehow and kill your granny, any court is going to deal with you in a severe manner as you carried out work in contravention of the gas regs. Its really simple and despite what the bloke on the end of a phone says its the basrristers in this world who apply the regsin the long term and having chatted to one recently and shown him the regs, my advice is to leave well alone unless you are self employed or have a gas safe number in your own name if your an employee, as you wont win the arguement of relying on regs 3,1 as you need to take into account section 2s definitions, you need to read a bit deeper to understand the regs , so kirkgas is probably right in what he said.


work” in relation to a gas fitting includes any of the following activities carried out by any person, whether an employee or not, that is to say—
(a)
installing or re-connecting the fitting;

(b)
maintaining, servicing, permanently adjusting, disconnecting, repairing, altering or renewing the fitting or purging it of air or gas;

(c)
where the fitting is not readily movable, changing its position; and

(d)
removing the fitting;

 

[fuzzy]

I cannt see any reference to financial reward in the regs however part 2 defines work and unless you are competant then you cant work on gas for reward or not. To be allowed to work on gas items etc you must be competant and this is defined as having the correct qualifications to allow you to register with gas safe and this then allows you to be insured to work on the gas side in any property. So if your covered by your employer to work but not self emplloyed, you cant work in accordance with e regs on your own or other friends kit.. Simply put this is to ensure you are covered by insurance etc and if you do cock up somehow and kill your granny, any court is going to deal with you in a severe manner as you carried out work in contravention of the gas regs. Its really simple and despite what the bloke on the end of a phone says its the basrristers in this world who apply the regsin the long term and having chatted to one recently and shown him the regs, my advice is to leave well alone unless you are self employed or have a gas safe number in your own name if your an employee, as you wont win the arguement of relying on regs 3,1 as you need to take into account section 2s definitions, you need to read a bit deeper to understand the regs , so kirkgas is probably right in what he said.


work” in relation to a gas fitting includes any of the following activities carried out by any person, whether an employee or not, that is to say—
(a)
installing or re-connecting the fitting;

(b)
maintaining, servicing, permanently adjusting, disconnecting, repairing, altering or renewing the fitting or purging it of air or gas;

(c)
where the fitting is not readily movable, changing its position; and

(d)
removing the fitting;

sorry but thats a lot of waffle with little substance. where does it state in the regs what competence is please? All you have done is copied the regs where it states what is defined as work, nobody is disputing these regs????

Competence is subjective, the only way to prove competence in my opinion is to have the relevant qualifications, i believe you would need your ACS for this, regardless of being gas safe or not, or as the regs put it "is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive"

the only thing you need to work on gas is to be competent, 100% right, you only need to be registered if you are employed or self employed or as i put it for financial gain.

TBH you don't even need to have a current ACS to be deemed competent, its just the easiest way of proving it, for example, a friend of mine is a retired British gas trainer, he help set up the NACS and ACOPS s the ACS used to be known, he had his own ACS up until 3 months ago, would you deem him competent to change a thermocouple, I would and sure as hell a judge would also.

I can only point out regulation 3 (1) yet again, if this dont convince you then theres not much more i can say

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

i stick by my statement you are wrong and if what you are saying was brought up in a in a court case the individual would have his nads cut off simple you must be competent and registered to do anything involving gas work employed,self employed, foc, or fidderling you may in fairness fuzzy be reading the reg and fully understanding its meaning but reality comes back and bites you on the arse and it has sharp teeth so i stick by my original reply to the op ....NO

 

[sparky]

Thanks everyone for all of your replys. Much appreciated!

 

[fuzzy]

i stick by my statement you are wrong and if what you are saying was brought up in a in a court case the individual would have his nads cut off simple you must be competent and registered to do anything involving gas work employed,self employed, foc, or fidderling you may in fairness fuzzy be reading the reg and fully understanding its meaning but reality comes back and bites you on the arse and it has sharp teeth so i stick by my original reply to the op ....NO

you dont have to be competent and regsitered, just competent. if you are employed or self employed you must be both, very simple, dont see why people cannot understand that. how can a registration body, which is all what gas safe is tell you what you can or cannot do when not empoyed or self employed??? its like working in a factory, no acs needed or anything to work on gas there

 

[fuzzy]

hi all, being gas registered through a company, can we do gas work ie: A boiler change for family?

yes, without a doubt in my mind 100% yes

 

[tamz]

So now all you young guys have a get out when your mothers boiler breaks down.
Just tell her sorry it is not allowed you will have to get someone in.
"Btw where is my dinner.........."

 

[GreenArmy]

Ok, its time to understand this word 'Competent' as defined by the courts.
My 'ISOH Managing Safely' trainer told us that competent has been defined by the courts to mean 'SKATE' Skills, Knowledge, Attitude, Training, Experience.
If you've got all that you should be OK.

 

[fuzzy]

oh the managing safely course, i did the NEBOSH and they defined it as KUTE (cute) Knowledge, understanding, training and experience. The easiest way to prove this in terms of gas is to have the ACS, but it doesnt have to be

 

[oldplumber]

so why do the hse keep taking people to court who have previously passed their acs and been corgi/gas safe registered and prosecuted them for illegal works, it must be because they arent competant in the eyes of the law, simple really and therefore fuzz your understanding of the regs cannt be quite right can it!!

 

[fuzzy]

so why do the hse keep taking people to court who have previously passed their acs and been corgi/gas safe registered and prosecuted them for illegal works, it must be because they arent competant in the eyes of the law, simple really and therefore fuzz your understanding of the regs cannt be quite right can it!!

They take them to court because they are not gas safe registered and they are contrevning regulation 3 (3)
no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.

If you are doing gas work for family you are not employed, therefore it dont count. Not being gas safe registered does not mean you are not competant does it?

So sorry to put you right, no hard feelings, may i point out once again i am 100% right

 

[wnjswozo]

think you have it wrong fuzzy ,what if your family owned 300 flats,and you were asked to fit boilers in each one,i,m sure
you could,nt get away with it.the manufacturers state in the mi it must be installed by a gassafe reg installer,and commissioned by one.

 

[oldplumber]

They take them to court because they are not gas safe registered and they are contrevning regulation 3 (3)
no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.

If you are doing gas work for family you are not employed, therefore it dont count. Not being gas safe registered does not mean you are not competant does it?

So sorry to put you right, no hard feelings, may i point out once again i am 100% right

Like I said before look at definitions in section 2.1 where work is defined and there is no mention of financial reward just what work is and that is touching.working on gas appliances etc and you are not allowed to do so unless deemed competant and you arent competant in the eyes of the law unless you are registered as gas safe yourself or working for an employer at the time who is. So as you so ,no hard feelings but your a 100% wrong and it will catch up with you one day