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Do any of you do guttering work.Ive heard some plumbers try and stay clear of it the same as blocked toilets lol.The other thing is do any of you just do the plumbing and not do gas.
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Ermintrude
I'm the Complete opposite, just do heating, ufh and boilers, taps wastes and bogs all get given to apprentices. If you do too much your van looks like a second hand shop. Toilet bits tiles, silicone..... Arrrrr I hate tiles. But others love a change and lap up tiling and bathrooms.
However I'm currently tiling a kitchen floor.
Toddler smashed tiles with cast iron pan mrs let him play with. Doh!!!
However I'm currently tiling a kitchen floor.
Toddler smashed tiles with cast iron pan mrs let him play with. Doh!!!
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A tiler as well aye lol.Did you screed it as well.Gas I think is something im not gonna bother with.Its expensive to do and everyone is at it.Think im just gonna do the general plumbing stuff lol,bathrooms, rads,guttering leadwork,valves water tanks and so on.But I was told by a few people that plumbers don't generaly bother with guttering I thought it was part of a plumbers job?and lead work I did this at college and apparently roofers now do this instead lolI'm the Complete opposite, just do heating, ufh and boilers, taps wastes and bogs all get given to apprentices. If you do too much your van looks like a second hand shop. Toilet bits tiles, silicone..... Arrrrr I hate tiles. But others love a change and lap up tiling and bathrooms.
However I'm currently tiling a kitchen floor.
Toddler smashed tiles with cast iron pan mrs let him play with. Doh!!!
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^^^ that's so true, - you could be doing heating pipework & then suddenly have to go to a boiler or a bit of flooring needed etc, & your van will need too much stuff!
I don't do Gas, but could do most other things if I want or if I am stupid enough to do! Once you service boilers you will end up on breakdowns.
Guttering was always done by plumbers in the old times, I believe as I guess it is pipework of sorts or actually lead lined guttering.
I don't do Gas, but could do most other things if I want or if I am stupid enough to do! Once you service boilers you will end up on breakdowns.
Guttering was always done by plumbers in the old times, I believe as I guess it is pipework of sorts or actually lead lined guttering.
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About £3000 for the basics I am told & you need the cost of gas gear, but a few boiler installs & then you are in profit in theory, but it's hard to know as very competitive. Just seems like you are not a plumber if you don't do everything including gas, sadly. Not nice when someone says to you " I'll get Mr Smith because he IS an engineer." :smile:
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When I started back in the 80's we did it all; heating & plumbing. That included lead work and flashing, general plumbing, and drains. Now it seems as though it's all broken up into 'Specialist' factors. In some ways it's not a bad idea especially as there's a lot of equipment needed if you're going to do it all, and as Ermintrude says - your van darts to look mile a bring and buy sale.
If a guttering job comes my way though, I'll do it. The same goes for leadwork. I've seen soooo many shoddy jobs that have been completed by so called 'Specialist' and my customers are happy with me when they find out that I'm even cheaper than the original guys.
I've still got all my lead bossing tools from the 80's in the garage
If a guttering job comes my way though, I'll do it. The same goes for leadwork. I've seen soooo many shoddy jobs that have been completed by so called 'Specialist' and my customers are happy with me when they find out that I'm even cheaper than the original guys.
I've still got all my lead bossing tools from the 80's in the garage
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Yes, in a lot of people's eyes if they are not Gas qualified they are a mere 'plumber'
but if you have the badge, then you are an 'engineer' & sometimes even worth more pay.
I worked on bits & pieces of gas work with an engineer until it became necessary to be qualified.
Yet nowadays I notice some of the qualified guys are not even from a plumbing background, so it seems silly not to go with gas.
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Koogatubac
Ive got my natural gas, thought that was boring so got trained with LPG which is different so that keeps me on my toes.
I like guttering, alot of plumbers dont. Depends when u get the job, you could mention you dont mind doing the guttering, however majority of builders/roofers do this now as its been passed to them.
Leadwork now has their own trade title which is known as a specialist trade since alot of the training methods have died out. I enjoyed lead aswell, i was in the regional competition when i was a apprentice, nationals got beat by ALOT of roofers, they do it day in day out you see
I like guttering, alot of plumbers dont. Depends when u get the job, you could mention you dont mind doing the guttering, however majority of builders/roofers do this now as its been passed to them.
Leadwork now has their own trade title which is known as a specialist trade since alot of the training methods have died out. I enjoyed lead aswell, i was in the regional competition when i was a apprentice, nationals got beat by ALOT of roofers, they do it day in day out you see
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I'm a Plumbing & Heating Engineer, but I haven't got ACS (Yet). I do have my OFTEC though and I'll work on any heating or plumbing system that I'm allowed to by law (Just for the Gas Safe boys ).
If you only work with the water supply and wage side of things then you're a Plumber, or Plumbing Engineer (If you have the quals to back it up). If you've got the rest then you can call yourself what you like I suppose, as long as it doesn't offend anyone that is.
).If you only work with the water supply and wage side of things then you're a Plumber, or Plumbing Engineer (If you have the quals to back it up). If you've got the rest then you can call yourself what you like I suppose, as long as it doesn't offend anyone that is.
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I thought you had to have some sort of plumbing back ground to do gas?its like a different trade really gas to plumbing
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Im just a plumbing engineer then lolI'm a Plumbing & Heating Engineer, but I haven't got ACS (Yet). I do have my OFTEC though and I'll work on any heating or plumbing system that I'm allowed to by law (Just for the Gas Safe boys
If you only work with the water supply and wage side of things then you're a Plumber, or Plumbing Engineer (If you have the quals to back it up). If you've got the rest then you can call yourself what you like I suppose, as long as it doesn't offend anyone that is.
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It took me forever to get the hang of doing lead lol.Is it still classed as part of a plumbers job though
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kirkgas
If you do a foundation course you don't need any trade background of any sort, it's 6 months full time spilt between class and on site,
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A gas training place will want your money!
I know a few people who were not in any way linked to plumbing & they are now gas qualified. They probably couldnt bend a pipe but they got there somehow.
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Just off to the pub but before I go ........
I have been 'Training' for the ACS with about 15 other guys (At different times) and I've come across 5 that actually work in the industry at the moment. One of the guys is currently a taxi driver and has no plumbing knowledge at all. He said he might do a plumbing course after he's got his ACS !
I have been 'Training' for the ACS with about 15 other guys (At different times) and I've come across 5 that actually work in the industry at the moment. One of the guys is currently a taxi driver and has no plumbing knowledge at all. He said he might do a plumbing course after he's got his ACS !
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Koogatubac
Even though plumber means 'worker of lead'
No.1 i know does lead work, however roofers ive asked and they say that a different specialist company does lead work, and thats ALL they do, paid a fortune since its such a art! Bossed corners, lead welds etc you can make anything out of lead and it'll last a loonnggg time
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A taxi driver doing acs lol im glad he lives down there by you lol
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I know its defo an art we had to make like a few things in college and it was a pain.at first I thought I wasn't gonna get it but I hung in there.have any of you ever been called out to repair or change the brackets on the drain pipe because its snapped off or broken?
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I have had to tell a few people what was wrong with their gas boilers because their gas engineers hadn't a clue! - and I don't work on gas!
(I should add - I don't touch the boilers & let them get a gas safe engineer to sort it!)
Often the pipework these guys do, gives away their lack of plumbing knowledge, although some just bring in others to help with installs.
(I should add - I don't touch the boilers & let them get a gas safe engineer to sort it!)
Often the pipework these guys do, gives away their lack of plumbing knowledge, although some just bring in others to help with installs.
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hi mate its been a while lol.No I started to do it and the college started messing things about on the course I got as far as lip tests looking for gas leaks lol and sorting them out.They wanted to add things to the course and remove things from the course which annoyed me.I still did my 2yrs at college doing my level 2 and not some 6 or 7 week course where you come out knowing nothing
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It is worrying
...Hence why I say if it would pay you to do gas, then why not as you might be better experienced than some gas qualified? That's what my thinking is & frankly some of the gas work is no harder than basic plumbing.
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One wanted to shorten the course.Another wanted add another term to it.I carnt remember what they wanted to remove now it was something about you having to go on the job as well but at first this wasn't part of the deal.I think it was to make more money out of you to be honest.They was also saying C&G wanted to change things as well but wasn't sure and when.And having doing 2 yrs of worrying id had enough and decided gas wasn't for me well not for now.
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Ermintrude
Boilers and ch require a lot more than an ACS qualification.
Gas qual is all about safety
Pluming is all about it actually working
Lead work is really difficult first few times but you get better. Think of it as butter when your working it. And get right tools . Local HA will only allow sub contractor to use a plumber to do guttering or lead. I am mearly a gas fitter and not a time served plumber. Yet the yellow badge makes you a plumber in eyes of the world. I can do most plumbing jobs apart from ones in my own home!
Gas qual is all about safety
Pluming is all about it actually working
Lead work is really difficult first few times but you get better. Think of it as butter when your working it. And get right tools . Local HA will only allow sub contractor to use a plumber to do guttering or lead. I am mearly a gas fitter and not a time served plumber. Yet the yellow badge makes you a plumber in eyes of the world. I can do most plumbing jobs apart from ones in my own home!
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How can a man with the yellow badge make you a plumber in the eyes of the world lol.You mention your not a time served plumber what work do you touch and what would you call time served in your opinion
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Ermintrude
A time served plumber in my mind is 4 years of collage and graft plus 2 years gas being under some ones wing.
I'm disappointed with what a lot of collages churn out as time served plumbers nowadays. No experience or application. Know theory - can repeat it but don't understand.
If your gas safe a lot of punters assume you are a plumber. Also some people assume that a plumber can do gas coal and oil too.
I generally touch other peoples messes and or problem installs. I do some installs to a lot of servicing and repair but nothing that remotely looks smells or is like a bathroom or kitchen.
I'm disappointed with what a lot of collages churn out as time served plumbers nowadays. No experience or application. Know theory - can repeat it but don't understand.
If your gas safe a lot of punters assume you are a plumber. Also some people assume that a plumber can do gas coal and oil too.
I generally touch other peoples messes and or problem installs. I do some installs to a lot of servicing and repair but nothing that remotely looks smells or is like a bathroom or kitchen.
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