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Looking for some advice if possible. Whilst it's too late to tell me not to buy a new house - not something I'm likely to ever do again in a hurry - I suspect the builder has gone for cheap, or low cost kit. The house has EPC B, concrete floors downstairs (supposedly insulated underneath), cavity wall insulation, brick construction, double glazing (upvc). It's a 4 bed detached with a conventional boiler and hot water cylinder and separate thermostats and timers for upstairs and downstairs.

Potterton promax 12 and pretty small radiators have been installed. The front lounge, 5x3x2.46m, has a 1.7x1.4m window and two external walls. The radiator is 800x600mm single, so about 2800BTU. The thermostat in the hallway struggles to get above 19 (and stays below 18 unless the heating has been on for hours) and the lounge reached 21 degrees after the heating had been on for over 6 hours. When I was in the lounge with my daughter yesterday, the heating had only been on for an hour and we had to sit by the radiator to feel any warmth. Same story in the master bedroom.

The boiler thermostat is set to max as are all the radiators (thermostatic valves), so I'm worried that there's no capacity to heat the house to a sensible temperature without having it on all the time, which seems to defeat the object of an efficient home.

They claim they used a specialist heating company but of course they might have been given a brief to save as much money as possible. It's unfortunate but it's a detail I wouldn't have expected to need to go into prior to completion. From what I've read, it's usual to be over cautious when installing a system. Right now, the house feels cool within the first 2-3 hours of the heating being on.

So, are there any requirements or minimum standards to be followed? Is there any company I could use to mount a challenge to the builder? Or am I screwed?

Clearly, installing larger radiators might take the boiler beyond its limit so it's not a cheap proposition to change things myself.

Thanks in advance.

Sean
 
My thoughts exactly. I'll post the rad sizes tomorrow when I get back home. They look like they're meant for a doll's house. (Slight exaggeration).
 
Master 700x450
Bed 2 900x450
Bed 3 600x450
Bed 4 600x450
Landing 400x600
Bathroom 1200x600
En suite 1200x500
Cloaks 400x400
Hall 500x600
Kitchen x2 k2 600x600 k1 700x600
Lounge 800x600
Study 600x500
Utility 400x600
 
They are tiny. Looks like they just threw in whatever was cheapest/lying around.
I'm doing a refurb at minute and they are all 1200x600 p+ or 1400 and that's a mid 3 bed terrace.
All worked out to correct heat losses.
Gives you an idea of the sort of size to expect usually.
 
Thanks. I've asked them to provide calcs so that I can verify them. They claim they use the same spec in all their builds and it's adequate and that they've not cut corners.

If anyone is based in the Leeds area and fancies inspecting it and preparing a suitable report, please get in touch.

Thanks

Sean
 
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Don`t do heating but what strikes me is that the radiator in bed 2 is larger than the master bedroom and the largest radiators are in bathrooms?
 
The upstairs bathrooms are only towel rails so suspect the output is lower than conventional radiators. Also, bed 2 is larger than the master as it doesn't have the en suite.
 
The upstairs bathrooms are only towel rails so suspect the output is lower than conventional radiators. Also, bed 2 is larger than the master as it doesn't have the en suite.

Doesn't matter as the rooms as the same size (nearly)

Master 4.7 x 3.8
Bed two 4.6 x 3.6
 
if the building has been build with very good u values then the rads many well only need to be very small.

Theres design and then theres building to said design. if you watched the recent programme on tv about new builds you would have seen a top 3 builders (size wise) house which cost 3/4 of a million have around 75% of its insulation missing. :(
 
Thanks. Given the problems I'm having in general it wouldn't surprise me at all that corners have been cut. So agree that it might have been designed to have a decent U value but not necessarily built to that design. The question is how I go about proving it...
 
Thanks. Given the problems I'm having in general it wouldn't surprise me at all that corners have been cut. So agree that it might have been designed to have a decent U value but not necessarily built to that design. The question is how I go about proving it...

thermal imaging cam will be able to tell

home survey would be best
 
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