settle a dispute...... no isolation on free standing cooker

[moony]

is there a need to put a gas cock before the bayonet on a free standing cooker? or does the self sealing bayonet act as isolation?

 

[Puddle]

there is no need to put a gas isolation valve before a bayonet fitting on a free standing cooker,the bayonet fitting does act as a perminted temp gas isolation ie for allowing removing of cooker for cleaning,works and replacement,howeve it is not aacceptable permanant gas isolation point(even if a gas isolation valve was fitted before it)
If cooker removed and bayonet fitting is not going to be used long term,the pipework should be capped off in the correct manor,with a cap end,would be good if there was a cap end that just pluged into the bayonet

imho

 

[moony]

thanks puddle well that sorts that out

not only was i accused of not fitting a means of isolation, i was accused of leaving an at risk situation by the customer.... customer has been told that it should of had a gas cock fitted before the bayonet and its therefore at risk, and has been told this by gs reg plumber -- ive asked for the gs reg plumbers details whose said this and customer said to call around and they will go through it with me. so just checking before i go. Cheers puddle

 

[GQuigley67]

i had inspector out the other week and he questioned me why I fitted an isolation valve before the old bayonnet, my answer was that i was trying to rule it out from my search for a leak, I removed it anyway and now only have the new bayonnet.

 

[centralgas]

Nightmare that, there really isn't anything worse than a different gas engineer pulling your work to look the big man!

 

[leelister6]

If I get a customer questioning my work, especially if they've been told something by a "Gas Safe bloke I know" the Corgi essential gas safety book comes out and its there in black and white (and orange). Then if they've still got a problem I just tell em to get their mate to do it!

 

[kirkgas]

there is no need to put a gas isolation valve before a bayonet fitting on a free standing cooker,the bayonet fitting does act as a perminted temp gas isolation ie for allowing removing of cooker for cleaning,works and replacement,howeve it is not aacceptable permanant gas isolation point(even if a gas isolation valve was fitted before it)
If cooker removed and bayonet fitting is not going to be used long term,the pipework should be capped off in the correct manor,with a cap end,would be good if there was a cap end that just pluged into the bayonet

imho

a properly fitted gas bayonet is acceptable as a permanent point of disconnection as long as it isnt leaking

 

[Lufc plumber]

a properly fitted gas bayonet is acceptable as a permanent point of disconnection as long as it isnt leaking

No a Bayonet is not a acceptable permant point it needs to be capped, that would be ar if a bayonnet fitting is left uncapped had that question in my acs yesterday. Its just like a Lever valve that is no means of permeant isolation it has to be capped incase a little kid switches it on etc.

 

[kirkgas]

No a Bayonet is not a acceptable permant point it needs to be capped, that would be ar if a bayonnet fitting is left uncapped had that question in my acs yesterday. Its just like a Lever valve that is no means of permeant isolation it has to be capped incase a little kid switches it on etc.

how does a child "switch on " a gas bayonet? and it isnt the same as an uncapped lever valve, a bayonet is perfectly acceptable to be used as a point of disconnection, in fact it was designed for that purpose, if it can be used to disconnect a gas cooker for work/cleaning, how long can it be left disconnected before it needs to be reconnected, there is no such thing as temporary gas work so if a bayonet can be used to disconnect a gas cooker for 10 minutes it can be left indefinately, as long as it is 1) fitted properly to the fabric of the building and pointing down, 2) it is confirmed as not leaking, i have in the past removed them if the customer is def not getting another gas cooker, but had a couple of large HA's who wouldnt pay to remove them in between tenants as they asked the question "can i legally leave it in?" and my answer was as long as 1) & 2) were ok then it was their choice, again perhaps it wont be everyones idea of their way of doing it, but as i have said many times, working above the regs is ok if you have cleared it with the customer if there could be extra cost or work to be done later, if they know and are happy then it is agreed between you and them to cap or leave it, but the statement i made was in reply to someone saying you CANNOT leave a bayonet

 

[Lufc plumber]

Well as i got taught very recently like i said yesterday, a bayonnet is not aloud to be left by a gas engineer for a means of isolaation, a customer can full willing leave a gas bayonet fitting disconected for a long period of time but when that enginner comes round and servies or what ever to that gas pipe it should be capped. As my tutor said kids stick fingers where they dont belong. I had a question on it in my paws book and answered with no it cannot be left as a isolation point, and should be capped, and it dint come back as wrong

Also in my parctical on gas pipe work core, one of my faults i had to pick up was a bayonet fitting was left uncapped, and the examiner said it needed to be secured......

Also im not here to argue about it, i was just expressing what i have been taught, and that i dont think it is acceptable.

 

[centralgas]

To be fair, the short term disconnection of a cooker is far less dangerous than a cooker connected to a supply when you think about it. What's more likely: a kid to press their finger into a bayonet long enough and hard enough to release a dangerous amount of gas or the same kid walking by a cooker, knocking the hob control tap with their teddy bear and spewing gas all round the kitchen while they walk off into the front room to build a lego train??

If you disconnect a cooker for a day or so. do a quick drop test to make sure things are ok to make sure the bayonet isn't passing, or even worse, get a 1/2" plug if it's what u need to sleep at night!

Obviously for long term, cap the thing off...

Depends on the job.

 

[kirkgas]

To be fair, the short term disconnection of a cooker is far less dangerous than a cooker connected to a supply when you think about it. What's more likely: a kid to press their finger into a bayonet long enough and hard enough to release a dangerous amount of gas or the same kid walking by a cooker, knocking the hob control tap with their teddy bear and spewing gas all round the kitchen while they walk off into the front room to build a lego train??

If you disconnect a cooker for a day or so. do a quick drop test to make sure things are ok to make sure the bayonet isn't passing, or even worse, get a 1/2" plug if it's what u need to sleep at night!

Obviously for long term, cap the thing off...

Depends on the job.

i dont disagree with your opinion on capping it long term ( as i consider that to be stricter than the reg, therefore allowed), but the point i was making was that it IS allowed, as i said there is no such thing as temp gas work so is it allowed to disconnect a gas cooker via the bayonet for 3 days while work is being done say to renew floorboards due to dampness, if yes then it is allowed for permanent disconnection. If im ripping out a kitchen and electric cooker is going back in then i would discuss/advise the bayonet coming out, but it isn't mandatory

 

[kirkgas]

Well as i got taught very recently like i said yesterday, a bayonnet is not aloud to be left by a gas engineer for a means of isolaation, a customer can full willing leave a gas bayonet fitting disconected for a long period of time but when that enginner comes round and servies or what ever to that gas pipe it should be capped. As my tutor said kids stick fingers where they dont belong. I had a question on it in my paws book and answered with no it cannot be left as a isolation point, and should be capped, and it dint come back as wrong

Also in my parctical on gas pipe work core, one of my faults i had to pick up was a bayonet fitting was left uncapped, and the examiner said it needed to be secured......

Also im not here to argue about it, i was just expressing what i have been taught, and that i dont think it is acceptable.

why do you mention argue? someone asked a question, someone else answered it, i commented that they are wrong, you commented i am wrong because you have been taught differently, so we are not argueing about it merely discussing a different point of view and i would respectfully suggest you check with either your training provider and or GSR for clarification, but be sure to clarify exactly what you ask (especially GSR) as they are great at body swerving questions, but if you ask a specific accurate question you will get an answer, so the statement i would make is " a properly fitted and confirmed as gas tight bayonet can be left as a permanent point of termination for a gas pipe" a discussion for another day could be "is it best practice to leave a bayonet" and some would discuss either yes or no as that is subjective, but in the first instance let us confirm whether it is an offence to leave one, which in my opinion would make ir RIDDOR reportable if you liken it to leaving an uncapped lever gas valve

 

[Kev the gas]

Ive just read the Corgi Direct brochure and cannot find anywhere a label that says

"do not leave this bayonet fitting unattended"


So there it is it is allowed, because if it wasnt Corgi direct would sell a sticker !!!!!

Kev.

 

[metaldust9]

how can anyone compare a baynot fitting with no lever ,to an uncapped lever gas valve anyone leaving a lever valve open ended should be riddor end of story as it just has to be knocked or moved by a kid or dog brushing past it or left slightly open like in the other post and bye bye house or family a baynot is designed for perpose and it would have to be a strong kid to push a baynot in and the smaller size is to small to do owt with, as kirkgas says if an electric cooker or something was going in instead you,d cap it permently