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and i as an rgi wouldn't touch it with a barge pole even if i was skint
More work for other people then.
Tim
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and i as an rgi wouldn't touch it with a barge pole even if i was skint
i dont mind at allMore work for other people then.
Tim
The thing we all have to accept is the fact that when ever we get to work on an appliance previously imstalled by some one else, we are obliged to commission it.
We dont assume its been done by a Registered Gas Installer just because the pipeworks neat.
So the benifit of doing a job where the householder, in this instance Gazultra is being honist and upfont about his lack of Job Licence, is that we are probably less likely to miss something.
I am not trying to be arguementative just thinking it may be better if we work with the unregistered than unknowingly work for them.
Tim
PS is Barlic still east of Preston, down the M65?
The thing we all have to accept is the fact that when ever we get to work on an appliance previously imstalled by some one else, we are obliged to commission it.
We dont assume its been done by a Registered Gas Installer just because the pipeworks neat.
So the benifit of doing a job where the householder, in this instance Gazultra is being honist and upfont about his lack of Job Licence, is that we are probably less likely to miss something.
I am not trying to be arguementative just thinking it may be better if we work with the unregistered than unknowingly work for them.
Tim
PS is Barlic still east of Preston, down the M65?
think so, unless they have moved itThe thing we all have to accept is the fact that when ever we get to work on an appliance previously imstalled by some one else, we are obliged to commission it.
We dont assume its been done by a Registered Gas Installer just because the pipeworks neat.
So the benifit of doing a job where the householder, in this instance Gazultra is being honist and upfont about his lack of Job Licence, is that we are probably less likely to miss something.
I am not trying to be arguementative just thinking it may be better if we work with the unregistered than unknowingly work for them.
Tim
PS is Barlic still east of Preston, down the M65?
The thing we all have to accept is the fact that when ever we get to work on an appliance previously imstalled by some one else, we are obliged to commission it.
We dont assume its been done by a Registered Gas Installer just because the pipeworks neat.
So the benifit of doing a job where the householder, in this instance Gazultra is being honist and upfont about his lack of Job Licence, is that we are probably less likely to miss something.
I am not trying to be arguementative just thinking it may be better if we work with the unregistered than unknowingly work for them.
Tim
PS is Barlic still east of Preston, down the M65?
Just read all 12 pages and am still not sure what is competent and what isn't ..lol..I read somewhere a few years ago that a guy down south of 25 years BG experience was working in the industry and refused to join CORGI. Went on to say that he challenged CORGI to take him to court and prove he was incompetent, advice given to him was that unless he'd caused an accident or they could prove his work was not up to standard they would lose and so they just ignored him and he carried on regardless. Anyone else remember this and know the outcome ????
but he was still breaking the law if he was working for gain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd say it was up to CORGI to prove his incompetence, if they can't prove that he ain't breaking the law imo. I think they knew that and that's why they never took him to court. How can anyone prove incompetence unless they can gather evidence of such i.e. accidents, poor workmanship ??
From experience judges listen to facts, and I would really like to see Gassafe prove this in court once and for all or change the wording.
We all know it should say only person's with the relevant ACS qualifications and registered with the governing body are legal to carry out Gas work, there must be a financial reason for them not doing this ???
I'd say it was up to CORGI to prove his incompetence, if they can't prove that he ain't breaking the law imo. I think they knew that and that's why they never took him to court. How can anyone prove incompetence unless they can gather evidence of such i.e. accidents, poor workmanship ??
From experience judges listen to facts, and I would really like to see Gassafe prove this in court once and for all or change the wording.
We all know it should say only person's with the relevant ACS qualifications and registered with the governing body are legal to carry out Gas work, there must be a financial reason for them not doing this ???
Its interesting, but when you think about it, many registered gas fitters with qualifications have probably made mistakes as well as those without. What really matters is the quality of the work produced not if the person who did it is qualified or not. The presumptions is that if you are qualified you should be competent of turning out good work. So qualification is based upon presumption not proven ability. But companies get paid for their work not their qualification, its probably why a well qualified 3 month course person has problems getting employment with companies. The companies assume they have no experience of turning out good work.
The thing is you can't really know if they can turn out good work, until you see some of it. So what if you went to a site and saw good work from a none qualified person and good work from a qualified person. Which one would you pass if you did not know which engineer was qualified and which was not?
Obviously you would have to pass both.
you wouldnt be checking a non qualified persons work as they are not registered so wouldnt know!
the regs say you cannot be employed (including self) if you are not registered with gas safe. so regardless of the competence thing you MUST be registered
Correct!
End of discussion IMO.
You are only deemed 'competent' if you have passed ACS and are registered with Gas Safe
To just sum up basically, if u do DIY gas installations, you are a clown! End of
Who worked on the installation previously is irrelevant.
It is currently the law that anyone who works on gas systems must be GSR. experience and competence are a bonus.
Don't know if this link works but have a look if it does.
[DLMURL="http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2012/coi-e-65.htm"]Plumber jailed for carrying out illegal gas work[/DLMURL]
Ps, who's making a small fortune???
Did you read this bit though?
HSE Inspector Edward Crick said:
"It is against the law for anyone who is not registered with Gas Safe to carry out work on a gas appliance. When unqualified workers try to bypass the law in this way they are not only putting themselves at risk of prosecution, and potentially a large fine or a spell in prison - they are also putting their customers' lives at risk.
The inspector doesn't say anything about competence or working in your own home or for friends & family being acceptable does he.
The first three lines of his statement say it all!
But you have ignored the first three lines of his statement which clearly state that it is against the law for a non GSR individual to work on a gas appliance.
Twenty two litte words sums up the legal viewpoint and one on which a court of law would base their case; regardless of the competency or experience of the defendant.
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