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you might want to have a look at the sale of goods act. goods have to be fit for the purpose you may also want to look at whether the act or a similar act of statute would cover this incident for consequential loss.
just because your supplier or manufacturer may state they will not cover consequential loss if you or a lawyer knows of a statute that overides this and says they are, then what they have written wont count for nothing because no contract can override an act of parliament.
but also bear in mind the sale of goods act may only cover a consumer and not a tradesmen i have no idea. its about 20 years since i did my a-level in law
so get proper legal advice/consult a lawyer or legal forum.
 
No harm in trying the polite route as described above.

If you were considering making a robust legal claim you will need an engineer's report on the faulty item, i.e. someone suitably qualified to provide an expert opinion to the Court, and to answer questions by other experts if required to. Such people don't come cheap, and if they are required to attend Court you should expect quite a bill. If you lose the case, you may end up with the other side's costs awarded against you. If it's a manufacturer, or a merchant even, they will probably be using fairly expensive legal representation at around 250 to 300 pounds an hour - such costs could be avoidable in the small claims court, if a Judge decides it should stay on a small claims track - the more complicated the matter becomes, the less chance there will be of it staying as a small claims case, and so the greater the risk of costs being awarded.

You should be able to find a solicitor who for a small fee will give you an opinion on the chances of winning a case in Court, or maybe even without charge - try yellow pages for solicitors offer a free initial consultation in your area.

The Court will expect you to try other routes open to you before bringing a claim to Court, so try a polite letter by recorded delivery stating your case, and what it will take to settle it.

If they refuse to negotiate with you over it, suggest a mediation session - you will need to share the cost. If they blank you on that, then you could put a claim into the small claims Court for consequential damages at a stated cost, and if it's a thousand or so, they might settle the matter out of Court rather than keeping up the involvement of solicitors. The weak point in your case will be the lack of an engineer's report. However, it might be that the other side will suggest an independent report at their expense if you agree to go along with the outcome. Which if it was me, I would go along with.

If they refuse to consider your claim in a reasonable way, then you can start a claim in the small claims Court without too much fear of incurring costs if you lose. But if it get's taken off the small Claims track because it starts to look too involved for straightforward settlement, that's the point where the risk of incurring costs begins should you lose.

A recorded delivery letter is going to cost next to nothing. Include photographs as suggested, and say what kind of settlement you are looking for. If they intend to take your claim seriously they will want to see the item and form an opinion on it. If they suggest getting an independent opinion at their expense, I would be inclined to agree to go along with the outcome.
 
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you might want to have a look at the sale of goods act. goods have to be fit for the purpose you may also want to look at whether the act or a similar act of statute would cover this incident for consequential loss.
just because your supplier or manufacturer may state they will not cover consequential loss if you or a lawyer knows of a statute that overides this and says they are, then what they have written wont count for nothing because no contract can override an act of parliament.
but also bear in mind the sale of goods act may only cover a consumer and not a tradesmen i have no idea. its about 20 years since i did my a-level in law
so get proper legal advice/consult a lawyer or legal forum.

Disclaimer. I am not a lawyer. Just as we advise posters to get qualified advice from a GSR, we should also recommend that they take qualified legal advice when they need it.


I assumed that the OP was a tradesman. If not, then various consumer protections apply which I won't comment on, since I lack the expertise.

However, if he is a tradesman, and bought the item in the course of business, then consumer protections don't apply, but contract law does.

The contractual chain is well established in law. You sue your supplier, who sues his supplier, and so on.

Unless the OP can persuade a court that he has conditions of purchase which over-ride the sellers terms and conditions of sale, the latter will prevail. The court will ask the seller to establish that he had taken reasonable steps to communicate these terms to the buyer. Usually printing terms on the back of invoices, on credit account application forms and in other sales literature will suffice. In the case of on-line retailers I understand that the situation is a bit more complicated and fluid, and precedent changes more rapidly. Again, in this field I lack the expertise to give a firm opinion.

If the seller is a business of any substance, they will have their terms and conditions reviewed and updated regularly to make sure that they are robust and compliant with current judicial interpretations. The days of unreasonable contract terms are long gone for reputable businesses.

Although we try to avoid such situations, once a business reaches a certain size and volume of transactions, it is hard to entirely avoid such claims. Whilst I can't be absolutely sure what a court would decide in a given case, we have not had our terms and conditions overturned by a court, despite several attempts. Neither am I aware of any other merchant having their "no consequential loss" clause overturned under normal circumstances. Were it to happen, it would be very big news in the merchant industry, with serious implications for us, our insurers, and frankly for the price that you guys pay for your materials.

On the other hand, we have brokered many goodwill settlements to the satisfaction of all parties, which is why I recommend this route.
 
some good old common sense advice discussed here at the forum as usual mixed responses but all nicely played ladies and gentlemen makes you kind of glad you joined up.....:8:
 
Many years ago I had a faulty Hep2O elbow behind a shower. To replace it I had to cut the stud wall out from the other side to avoid damaging the tiles. I sent the faulty fitting back to Hepworth and they confirmed that the fitting was faulty, paid for all the remedial works and sent out a few bags of fittings as a goodwill gesture.
 
I had a daikin twin split R407 10kw compressor costing 1200 notes brought from climet cent, I put it in and stright away there was no compression. Would they do anythink no they told me to take it up with the manafuc I thought this was bad from a big firm that I payed for the product!
 
I had a daikin twin split R407 10kw compressor costing 1200 notes brought from climet cent, I put it in and stright away there was no compression. Would they do anythink no they told me to take it up with the manafuc I thought this was bad from a big firm that I payed for the product!

sale of goods act 1979, you hit the supplier first and its their problem to deal with manufacturer, seems unfair at times but thats the law.
 
I know they was haven none of it and it was for a server room so was in a rush! At least dakian were good at sorting a new one for me but I still lost a days pay haven to re install not good!
 
If there's one thing to be taken from this thread, I think it's the need to be circumspect about the fittings you purchase, i.e. who are they made by, and where.

The well known brands might cost a bit more than the "generic" (Chinese) version, but if paying a bit extra reduces the risk of getting lumbered as the OP has, it's probably well worth it.
 
If there's one thing to be taken from this thread, I think it's the need to be circumspect about the fittings you purchase, i.e. who are they made by, and where.

The well known brands might cost a bit more than the "generic" (Chinese) version, but if paying a bit extra reduces the risk of getting lumbered as the OP has, it's probably well worth it.

And if its a well know brand then they tend to be good at given you a replacement
 
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