Erp

[hammers4spanner]

What are guys making of this energy rating scheme thats coming in for all appliances ,cylinders ,rads etc?

To me mainly thinking another headache for us simply because yet again joe bloggs builder who illegally installs , or mr bobajob who will install new rads will simply ignore this leaving it all left on us.

Or am i way off the mark with this?

 

[lame plumber]

Give it 6 months and GS will add it to our exams!!? Bit more money for them!

gawd, dont give them ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

gawd, dont give them ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the sad truth Lame!

 

[billybob150811]

went to a seminar and listened to the bits I want. So my take was most boilers are circa 90% eff, the controls I fit are basic and only add one point and don't move the combined boiler/controls out of the category its already in. Then im trying to catch the eye of the guy giving out free beer tokens and sort of missed the rest

 

[solutions]

Give it 6 months and GS will add it to our exams!!? Bit more money for them!

They are already talking about changing the bandings for efficiencys within the erp initiative so in 6 months it will likeky have changed again. Gas safe wont get involved in it. The training sites might try and flog a course on it for a hefty sum full of information available from manufacturers or the net for free, as per the norm.

 

[Worcester]

To generate labels and fiches, The official 'free' site is here:
ELG - European Commission

And for packages (boiler, controls etc ) ELG - European Commission

There are also labels for combis from the space heating link on the label generator page

Want to know all about it? Go here: https://ec.europa.eu/energy/en/topics/energy-efficiency/energy-efficient-products

We've been on a number of different manufacturers training courses, and they are all pretty simple, there again, we'll get audited every year, and they'll check that we are issuing them, coz that's the way MCS works...

Manufacturers have a legal obligation to make it simple for installers, so expect instructions, / apps / websites from all of them.

 

[leek]

Had a few minutes to have a google this pm and found this on ideal....

Martin Watson
July 9, 2015 at 3:27 pm
In the statement in the erp directive it mentions about calculating the system efficiency. As an installer who is commissioning the appliance, what is the process to follow to calculate this figure to add to the completed paperwork

Hi Martin,
There are a few points to remember with regard to labelling, systems and calculations. If you are supplying a complete heating system, you will be responsible for creating and providing homeowners with the energy efficiency package label and fiche.
A ‘package label’ must be produced when selected components are installed together, however, you will not need to supply a ‘package’ label if you are only installing a boiler or a boiler plus hot water cylinder, as these are not defined as ‘packages’ or ‘systems’ under the directive.
Whether an installation requires a ‘system’ calculation simply depends on whether it meets one of two definitions of a package as given by the directive:
1 A space heater plus a temperature control device and/or a solar device, OR
2 A water heater and a solar device
(Please note that conventional cylinders are not included, neither are radiators or pumps. Pumps are individually rated.)
As manufacturers will have to supply the energy efficiency figures for their products, calculating the whole system efficiency will be as simple as adding together the different percentages of the components used in the system to generate an overall figure. You can find the information in the product fiches supplied by manufacturers in the installation manuals. The total will then translate into ratings familiar to consumers from their TVs and household goods energy labels.
Controls will not carry an ErP label but play an important part in the calculation and rating of a package. Controls are classified into eight groups, each of which is allocated a percentage score.
For example, an Ideal Vogue 26kW combi boiler has an energy efficiency figure of 93%, if installed with Class 8 controls an additional 5% can be added, to give a total of 98% which translates into an A+ rated system.
We are currently developing a dedicated web page for installers to calculate and generate package labels – watch this space for more information!