New rule,s starting April.

[jtsplumbing]

Hi guys just like your thoughts on the changes starting in April, (Boiler Plus Program) regards weather compensation & other controls that must be fitted, even the customer cant refuse to have them, what's it going to add to the cost of an install ?

 

[Scott_D]

Who will enforce it?

 

[Harvest Fields]

It was fitted when I put the boiler in!

 

[Harvest Fields]

You can do it through a smart programmer for the new boiler

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Load of bollox and more crap

I won't be fitting them

 

[townfanjon]

I can not see why the customer cant refuse , its their money .

Potentially puts £200 quid ish or more
on an install , more power then to the guys that sling em on the wall for £200 .

 

[Last Plumber]

Hi guys just like your thoughts on the changes starting in April, (Boiler Plus Program) regards weather compensation & other controls that must be fitted, even the customer cant refuse to have them, what's it going to add to the cost of an install ?

More Ballcocks!

 

[ShaunCorbs]

arnt trvs and a room stat going to mandatory now ?

 

[Last Plumber]

arnt trvs and a room stat going to mandatory now ?

Just use your Engineers discretion and treat everything on its own merits.

All through my working life ‘THEY’
Change their mind about all sorts. Then once they have it’s the law and you will be imprisoned for not doing it! Or that’s what ‘THEY’ tell you.
Then ‘THEY’ change it back again or to something completely different. I get tired of hearing it tbh Shaun.
Most of it has been done before.

Rant over.

 

[Harvest Fields]

arnt trvs and a room stat going to mandatory now ?

Not sure mate. I fit them in my installs anyway. But stopped reading when I realised my installs are covered because of the smart controls that I fit most of the time.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Just use your Engineers discretion and treat everything on its own merits.

All through my working life ‘THEY’
Change their mind about all sorts. Then once they have it’s the law and you will be imprisoned for not doing it! Or that’s what ‘THEY’ tell you.
Then ‘THEY’ change it back again or to something completely different. I get tired of hearing it tbh Shaun.
Most of it has been done before.

Rant over.

as soon as they crack down on illegal installers then i might listen to them

 

[Harvest Fields]

as soon as they crack down on illegal installers then i might listen to them

Might be waiting a while Shaun.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Might be waiting a while Shaun.

so why should we follow a bollox rule its going to be this years erp label crap

 

[Harvest Fields]

I hate ERP also.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I hate ERP also.

i will tell a truth ive never fitted an erp label unless its in the bin

 

[Harvest Fields]

i will tell a truth ive never fitted an erp label unless its in the bin

Ssssshhhhhhhhh!!!!

 

[townfanjon]

Whats an ERP label ?

 

[Last Plumber]

Whats an ERP label ?

It's a rainbow coloured sticker that causes Boilers and other appliances to cost more. 'They' invented it to give us all more red tape and nonsense to deal with instead of working.

This is my opinion of course, I cannot speak for anyone else. Although, I suspect a lot are on the same page!

 

[townfanjon]

It's a rainbow coloured sticker that causes Boilers and other appliances to cost more. 'They' invented it to give us all more red tape and nonsense to deal with instead of working.

This is my opinion of course, I cannot speak for anyone else. Although, I suspect a lot are on the same page!

Oops , shouldn’t I have shredded them ?

 

[jtsplumbing]

Some more snippets to think over had this from Baxi about the changes to part L.
1. Applies to England only.
2. supposed to be easy for installers.
3. don't comply you will face prosecution.
4. Policed by Building Control.
5. If customer doesn't want these extra controls it can lead to prosecution and fines up to 5k. for the customer,

 

[kozak1968]

It wont work.

 

[jtsplumbing]

It wont work.

That was my thought, how can you force the customer to have these extra measures fitted if they don't want them, Pressure on the RGE again but Mr Cowboy wont bother and will be undercutting us by even more

 

[quality]

Building control! what a joke they are. I fitted a boiler in 2007 and never got registered form some reason I must have forgot. The sale of the house last year was to be held up because of this. I gave the young chap a very large piece of my mind and I am not that way inclined at all. The silly fool accepted his bollocking and the sale went through

 

[hammers4spanner]

Mate of mine works for build control and like he says last thing on my mind is Wether the right room stat is fitted .

To busy to care about it tbh

 

[Last Plumber]

3. don't comply you will face prosecution.
4. Policed by Building Control.
5. If customer doesn't want these extra controls it can lead to prosecution and fines up to 5k. for the customer,

Believe it when I see it!

 

[Last Plumber]

It appears to me, that regulations are only followed by those of us with a conscience.
I think people with a conscience are more concerned with avoiding a bad reputation than being prosecuted but would rather avoid anything that goes against their own moral judgement and principles.

How do you deal with people who care about neither reputation nor prosecution?

 

[Harvest Fields]

It appears to me, that regulations are only followed by those of us with a conscience.
I think people with a conscience are more concerned with avoiding a bad reputation than being prosecuted but would rather avoid anything that goes against their own moral judgement and principles.

How do you deal with people who care about neither reputation nor prosecution?

That’s the problem mate. You cannot unless everyone sticks together to try and weed it all out.

 

[Last Plumber]

That’s the problem mate. You cannot unless everyone sticks together to try and weed it all out.

I agree. In past years I have reported various things and to no avail.

I have used the RIDDOR process a few times and I give up. In future I don't think I could be bothered to waste my time. In fact, I am fairly sure that telling the woman in the Post Office would do more good. At least word would spread.

The process of punishment only works on those who care anyway.

If you are accountable for your actions, you are an easy target for the 'authorities'.

If you don't care, they won't chase you.

My opinion.

 

[unguided1]

If I can't work the controls I won't fit em! I've only just worked out how to use me doro mobile telephone!!!

 

[ShaunCorbs]

@mutley racers

 

[Harvest Fields]

Here’s one for you. What happens when Engineer fit smart controls and the boiler comes on and off intermittently during the night waking up the whole house when it does so? #justsaying
#icannotbelieveijustusedahashtag

 

[kris]

Always a good thing to make the system more effective . But many systems don't get wet up properly even b4 the added compensater

 

[king of pipes]

Dont think we will have much choice in the end

 

[king of pipes]

Dont think we will have much choice in the end here is some guidance chaps .cheers kop

 

[firemant]

I agree. In past years I have reported various things and to no avail.

I have used the RIDDOR process a few times and I give up. In future I don't think I could be bothered to waste my time.

My opinion.

RIDOR is not a "call to action", but a means of collecting data, upon which future investigations, regs and requirements can be formulate,

It is also legally mandatory to register when appropriate.






I obviously have never seen anything

 

[Last Plumber]

RIDOR is not a "call to action", but a means of collecting data, upon which future investigations, regs and requirements can be formulate,

It is also legally mandatory to register when appropriate.






I obviously have never seen anything

I know what it is.
When I have reported things and used a RIDDOR form, the HSE have contacted me to discuss the matter and also made contact with the end user. The point I was really making was that although bodies like the HSE and Gas Safe get involved in the things we report, they actually do very little, other than gather info as you say.

 

[Last Plumber]

RIDOR is not a "call to action", but a means of collecting data, upon which future investigations, regs and requirements can be formulate,

It is also legally mandatory to register when appropriate.






I obviously have never seen anything

I know what it is.
When I have reported things and used a RIDDOR form, the HSE have contacted me to discuss the matter and also made contact with the end user. The point I was really making was that although bodies like the HSE and Gas Safe get involved in the things we report, they actually do very little, other than gather info as you say.

 

[Last Plumber]

RIDOR is not a "call to action", but a means of collecting data, upon which future investigations, regs and requirements can be formulate,

It is also legally mandatory to register when appropriate.






I obviously have never seen anything

I know what it is.
When I have reported things and used a RIDDOR form, the HSE have contacted me to discuss the matter and also made contact with the end user. The point I was really making was that although bodies like the HSE and Gas Safe get involved in the things we report, they actually do very little, other than gather info as you say.

 

[mickie]

I might sound like an idiot here but i don't know what a load compensator is, i've asked baxi and gas safe and they couldn't tell me either.. could someone on here tell me what it is..

 

[ShaunCorbs]

manages the load on the boiler side

say you need 10 kw of heat on a warm ish day it will give you 10 kws and not the boilers cap etc

 

[Harvest Fields]

manages the load on the boiler side

say you need 10 kw of heat on a warm ish day it will give you 10 kws and not the boilers cap etc

So is that like automatic range rating?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

So is that like automatic range rating?

yes spot on

 

[Harvest Fields]

yes spot on

That’s what I thought. But better to be safe then sorry.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

That’s what I thought. But better to be safe then sorry.

its aload of bollox again only just heard again theve changed it to include bgs hive (lowered the standards)

 

[Harvest Fields]

its aload of bollox again only just heard again theve changed it to include bgs hive (lowered the standards)

Where does it say that?

 

[mickie]

is that something new boilers do automatically ? would the baxi duotec do it ?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

cant find the exact doc yet but listed here

Government launches Boiler Plus - Energy Academy

 

[ShaunCorbs]

is that something new boilers do automatically ? would the baxi duotec do it ?

well if it has open therm yes it will but as you might know hive doesnt have that so dont have a clue how that works other than telling you no you cant set you heating to 25 as its warm outside

i guess bg made a stink or a payment was made

 

[Harvest Fields]

is that something new boilers do automatically ? would the baxi duotec do it ?

No mate. It’s an added extra

 

[ShaunCorbs]

No mate. It’s an added extra

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you say that Worcester comfort 1 and 2 are approved

 

[mickie]

So a smart thermostat through an internet therm whatsit sets the load compensation ? to get this load compensation im guessing the physical thing to buy is a smart thermostat ?