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If you take a heating requirement of 15,000kw with gas at 3.5p/kwhr and electricity at 17p /kwhr. You would need an average annual Cop in well in excess of 3 before the efficiency of Air source delivers a cheaper annual running cost.

Of course if you have cheaper sources of electricity such as a decent FIT that should improve the position.

That’s just running cost - you also need equate the equipment and installation cost to determine the full return on capital.

The last Nibe 12kw airsource installation we put in was nearly £14k
 
I would love to see the figures that confirm that an Air Source Heat pump is less efficient than gas.
A ASHP would have to have a COP of ~ 0.85 to be as "bad" as a gas fired boiler, most would be ~ 2.8 to maybe 4, but as pointed out above, they may not be as cost efficient/effective with present energy cost differentials.
 
Ah I was basing my view point from my perspective as a French home owner, where oil and gas is massively more expensive that electricity, all being fully taxed and gas only available in bottles, oil at it's present rate being £0.95/Lt.
 
The electricity must be really cheap (nuclear?) as your oil is £0,095/kwh, my last fill of oil (kerosene) was only £0.04/kwh but full price electricity around here is ~ £0.16/kwh.
 
I was quick enough to fill my oil tank in the UK @ £0.18lt in the middle of this year.

Yes the French electricity is supplied by Nuclear power and is cheap on the standard tariff @ 8.31 cts € HT/kWh.
 
As far as I know there are no wall hung oil combi boilers. The shear size and weight would require some serious mounting to a solid wall. If there is such available then I apologise but i've not come across one, ever.
Yes installing an oil combi boiler will allow you to get rid of the HW cylinder and the tank in the loft. Yes you could fit a thermostatic shower but bare in mind combis are usually sized for HW flow rate performance, having said that an oversized combi for HW performance is not good on an oil combi. They do not fully modulate like their gas cousins currently (although the technology is heading that way), so installing a 35KW combi for good HW performance is not good for condensing if your CH load is only 15KW for example.
When designing a heating system many things have to be considered, one of which is the flow rates required to the emitters, yes microbore off a manifold system would work as each emitter (radiator) will be fed of its on microbore loop. Providing the maths is done then it will work if it adds up but you certainly wouldn't run multiple radiators of a single microbore loop. The other good thing about microbore manifold systems is they can need very little or even no effort to balance as each sub circuit is kept to an almost identical pressure loss. The bad point however is as I mentioned above, they can clog up more readily. Providing the new system is flushed, with the right inhibitor and concentration and suitable dirt and air separation then the chances of that happening is really quite low. Now you mentioned an ASHP? I can tell you now if that was considered at a later date after you had an oil system installed on microbore then virtually all of the system will need to be redone as the pipe sizes will be inadequate for the higher flow rates and lower delta t of an ASHP, many of my associates are now recommending future proofing for such systems.
With regards to heat loss calculations it needs to be done properly, no cutting corners. There are several ways to go about it but perhaps the best and most complex route is a website or app called Heat Engineer. This is created and run by an associate of mine and is very, very good at giving all the right information, the only problem is you will need a lot of information about fabric of your building to do the calculations. Failing that your engineer will be able to do it all for you when designing and quoting. Another thing I will point out is if you were to upgrade to an ASHP at a later date then the radiators will need to be larger due to the then new low temperature system and the existing being undersized. I suggest you think hard about which energy source you take on. I personally have an ASHP for my flat. In the warmer months its electricity use is very cheap, however in the colder months my electricity a week is doubled at least but thats how these units work and is part and parcel.
Electricity can be one of the best efficiency wise for energy transfer, although its also the most expensive.

Edit: ASHP's would be useless in an older property with poor envolope insulation. If this is a route you're going to research and possibly pursue then you will need to upgrade the insulation of your property to a better level.
I have had a wall hung combi for 6 years,yes its heavy but mt house is all timber, I just fitted extra studs in the right place, just had the 1st issue no complaints, Grandee boiler, the guys that run it now DD heating i think they are called could not be more helpful.
 
I have had a wall hung combi for 6 years,yes its heavy but mt house is all timber, I just fitted extra studs in the right place, just had the 1st issue no complaints, Grandee boiler, the guys that run it now DD heating i think they are called could not be more helpful.
The worst oil boiler ever to hit the market. Absolute bag of cack.
 

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