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Finding Sometime almost impossible to clean using chemicals and rinsing through the ports with waterPlate heat exchangers the worst , literally millimetres between the plates .
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Finding Sometime almost impossible to clean using chemicals and rinsing through the ports with waterPlate heat exchangers the worst , literally millimetres between the plates .
Finding Sometime almost impossible to clean using chemicals and rinsing through the ports with water
Hi Stig, unfortunately with regard to homeowners (just like car owners) expecting enthusiasm with regards to maintenance is only really for the minority. Its just a box on their wall even less considered than their vehicles ..which can look quite sexy.A strainer could be installed in conjunction with a valved bypass so it could easily be isolated and cleaned. The strainer could even only be connected to the system for the first X amount of days before being removed and cleaned. Then you run the system through the bypass and not the strainer in normal use. You can bring the strainer back inline any time you wanted to. If any work is done on the system, soldering or cutting, new components fitted or replaced on the system and you are worried about particles of a certain size entering the system just bring the strainer back in for a while.
Now, I reckon I might be over thinking this but it would not hurt a heating system to have it in place at least. I see it as something that an enthusiastic homeowner who takes a lot of interest in their house's systems might like. I don't think it's something that would make it into every system in then country like magnetic cleaning will probably do one day.
That doesn't mean it is a bad idea though and if someone wants to spend the money and effort and they are happier for it nothing wrong with that.
A strainer could be installed in conjunction with a valved bypass so it could easily be isolated and cleaned. The strainer could even only be connected to the system for the first X amount of days before being removed and cleaned. Then you run the system through the bypass and not the strainer in normal use. You can bring the strainer back inline any time you wanted to. If any work is done on the system, soldering or cutting, new components fitted or replaced on the system and you are worried about particles of a certain size entering the system just bring the strainer back in for a while.
Now, I reckon I might be over thinking this but it would not hurt a heating system to have it in place at least. I see it as something that an enthusiastic homeowner who takes a lot of interest in their house's systems might like. I don't think it's something that would make it into every system in then country like magnetic cleaning will probably do one day.
That doesn't mean it is a bad idea though and if someone wants to spend the money and effort and they are happier for it nothing wrong with that.
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Just need some 1-22mm comp Male irons
Won’t need anything finer than 500 micros only use 50 microns on a drinking supply
Unusual to require a strainer either Y or witches hat in a domestic heating system on anything other than a temporary basis for specific cleaning.
The reason being that the pressure drop across the stainer (particularly on small bore pipework) can be quite high - hence the use of a witches hat strainer.
To install it properly, it should have a sensor to measure the pressure drop across the strainer to signal when cleaning is required or to shut off the boiler.
There are far more cost effective ways of cleaning a system.
Also be aware that with fine mesh filters the quality is vitally important - if the filter mesh breaks away in service (which is not uncommon) - it can cause more problems that it solves.
Please don’t read this as being negative, but in design terms on hydraulic (water and oil) systems you only install filters when the systems dictates that they are needed. You should not install them as a “nice to have”
To be Honest Brambles, when we did the first mag filters it was open season, there wereAxium or Filterhousings in Warrington will either have a stock product or manufacture one for you. The industry sector to look at for high quality small bore Y or witches hat filters is food processing.
Just be aware that high quality filters are expensive. CHK will have a much better understanding of the market than I do - but I guess that is why so much development work went into the existing range of magnetic filters et al marketed for domestic heating systems.
Even in ground source heat pumps, where water cleanliness is a key issue, we are very careful about how / where and why we instal filters.
This is exactly the approach I'm exploring. Putting the strainer in and cleaning it frequently for the first week or so. I would step up a bore size (from 22mm to 1"/28mm) to compensate for the pressure drop accross these units inline (clean mesh).
ShaunCorbs - you've hit upon a key point of discuission. I'm asking for all those contributing to this thread - to help us newbies' expand our horizons. What considerations need to be taken into account when choosing mesh size??? What factors need to be considered - and how should that judgement be formed? I'm after what process should be followed - in order to come to an informed/correct decision on mesh size?
(Also - can you help me to understand why 500 micros is appropriate here - as it will help me finalise my purchase.)
Brambles - Thank you for this insight - it never even occured to me that the mesh screens could/might break away in use. In such a scenario - the mesh would represent an even bigger threat to the system, than the debris the strainer was meant to keep out.
I'm going to ask for some help recommending a manufacturer of a Y-Strainers. I know somebody recommended the Boss brand - but I'd like input from others too.
(Just for the record - the y-strainers from tool-stationare very poor. I'd sincerely recommend that anyone buying these thoroughly inspect the insides of those units. At three different toolstations, each of the units they showed me, had brass burr's inside from the milling/drilling used to finish the pieces. These burrs were past the mesh filter - so would break off and flow onward in any system.)
(Went into B.S.S - quote for a 1" BOSS Y-Strainer = £99. Overkill for my setup.)
So, as this thread is an a exploratory/discussion thread, I'm going to ask the following:
'What is the correct way/procedure to follow, to choose the appropriate strainer mesh perforation, for any install?'
Shaun suggested that 500 microns would be correct for my situation, with 50 microns only suitable for drinking water.
How can we best choose the correct mesh, for any given usage?
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