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iain85

Anyone done it? A friend of mine installed a boiler for his friend 5 years back and now said friend wants to sell his house but has no building cert.
He works for BG and trust his work but would obviously want to go there and check out the work before signing anything off. I'm not overly happy about doing it but apparently it is stopping the sale of his house.

So, would YOU do it?
 
I would for someone I know that does a good job, I would carry out the relevant checks and charge accordingly.

plenty would not and I would not disagree with them, each to their own.
 
Can you if its five years old?
Best to offer a gas safety check/service the boiler and the home owner will have to take out an indemnity insurance for it.
 
Don't go near this. The friend might lose a few bob on the sale but that is what he deserves for being cheap in the first place. Also and must contain myself here BG guy moonlighting and nicking our work......need to find beer to settle now.......b****r !
 
You've answered you own question when you said "I'm not overly happy about doing it". Unless you are skint and need to feed the kids I'd avoid these jobs. Favours have a habit of biting you back.
 
I would for someone I know that does a good job, I would carry out the relevant checks and charge accordingly.

plenty would not and I would not disagree with them, each to their own.

I agree with this post
But everyone to there own
I agree don't think the boiler can be registered now but a gas very will keep the solicitors happy for sale I'd guess
 
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don't think you can register it with gas safe after that long thought you got 30 days to do it . anyone confirm this ? I would have no problem doing a gas safety check but not register it as mine
 
The site used to accept any date. However I am sure even they have an algorithm that flags up retrospective installs so these would be first to be flagged for an inspection when you are due for review.
 
your bum will be the one on the line if the new owners are unhappy when they get someone else in to service it and they riddor it for some reason
 
I am at odds and think you are right croppie about the real friend bit. The trouble is I know the guy who house it is and he is a sound guy who is kind of caught in the middle with it all. For the ones that would do it, would you go as far as removing and refitting the gas appliance/pipe or just visual and safety checks?
I haven't decided one way or another. I did offer to complete a cp12 as a proof of gas safety but apparently their solicitor is not having it.

I do feel caught in the middle with it all,
 
With regard to the standard of work, he is a good engineer and works to a very high standard, in fact he trained me when I was an apprentice.
 
I am at odds and think you are right croppie about the real friend bit. The trouble is I know the guy who house it is and he is a sound guy who is kind of caught in the middle with it all. For the ones that would do it, would you go as far as removing and refitting the gas appliance/pipe or just visual and safety checks?
I haven't decided one way or another. I did offer to complete a cp12 as a proof of gas safety but apparently their solicitor is not having it.

I do feel caught in the middle with it all,
Just tell your mate all you can do is a cp12 and as boiler is out of warranty now either put a new boiler in or it's on his solicitor to sort it
 
I am at odds and think you are right croppie about the real friend bit. The trouble is I know the guy who house it is and he is a sound guy who is kind of caught in the middle with it all. For the ones that would do it, would you go as far as removing and refitting the gas appliance/pipe or just visual and safety checks?
I haven't decided one way or another. I did offer to complete a cp12 as a proof of gas safety but apparently their solicitor is not having it.

I do feel caught in the middle with it all,

You are being blackmailed mate nicely and your friend does not realise what he is doing to you but this is your livelihood. Sod the solicitor do a CP12 and let them argue it out. It will lead to a slight price reduction nothing more. Because if not this solicitor is asking you by implication to lie.
 
I am at odds and think you are right croppie about the real friend bit. The trouble is I know the guy who house it is and he is a sound guy who is kind of caught in the middle with it all. For the ones that would do it, would you go as far as removing and refitting the gas appliance/pipe or just visual and safety checks?
I haven't decided one way or another. I did offer to complete a cp12 as a proof of gas safety but apparently their solicitor is not having it.

I do feel caught in the middle with it all,

theres a gsr tb telling you all you have to do to cover your bum if you must, takes more than a visual check to be sure!!!!!!!!
 
at the end of the day if your friend didn't have his own gas safe registration then it was an illegal install I know it harsh but in eyes of the law no better than someone who has none at all.
 
at the end of the day if your friend didn't have his own gas safe registration then it was an illegal install I know it harsh but in eyes of the law no better than someone who has none at all.

Not strictly true if it was fitted by a competent person and there was no money involved then it was ok
 
Your "mate" decided this was the route he wanted to go when installing a new boiler, not yours. Because he wanted it cheap you get the head ache. That's not right or fair. His decision, his consequences.
I actually forgot to register one once, I spoke to the solicitor and was up front. I forgot, shoot me scenario. The solicitor was fine about it, and arranged indemnity insurance for £25!
 
Not strictly true if it was fitted by a competent person and there was no money involved then it was ok
if it was fully ok why do the solicitors need a it to be registered . I have seen so many people in the company I used to work for who had gas safe with the company but not their own do jobs on sat and just give the customer a cp12 and customer thinks that's all they need - undercutting those who go through the expense of doing the proper channel. anyone is competent until something goes wrong
 
Interesting about the indemnity insurance route. Lameplumber do you have the gas safe tb you could post a link to?
 
The problem here will be the solicitor is working for the buyer and his best interests.
If he smells a rat he will be within his rights and will contact Gas Safe, who if they do get involved will ask you the question "why did you not register it earlier when you have registered many boilers before and after this boiler was installed. "

Sounds like grief I would walk away from. Imho
 
The problem here will be the solicitor is working for the buyer and his best interests.
If he smells a rat he will be within his rights and will contact Gas Safe, who if they do get involved will ask you the question "why did you not register it earlier when you have registered many boilers before and after this boiler was installed. "

Sounds like grief I would walk away from. Imho


Well I could just tell them the truth I suppose? I see what your saying but I would say exactly what has happened. My friend is 'competent ' just not registered in his own right.
 
I got involved with a job a few years back, in between exchange and completion I serviced a boiler and had to cut the boiler off as it was sooted up and beyond economical repair.

The time that was involved in letters between solicitors and then Corgi got involved was a nightmare.
I had done nothing wrong but they still wanted info and my time.

Offer a full service and cp12 but that is as far as you can go, I'm sure indemnity insurance will only be £ 100 ish, it is reqd a lot when people knock down internal walls without getting Building Regs.
 
The problem here will be the solicitor is working for the buyer and his best interests.
If he smells a rat he will be within his rights and will contact Gas Safe, who if they do get involved will ask you the question "why did you not register it earlier when you have registered many boilers before and after this boiler was installed. "

Sounds like grief I would walk away from. Imho

I thought you only got three months to register it. So you'd have to lie about the date of installation.
 
tell him he needs the installer to certify it in writing!.

no buts.imo

let him cringe over it
 
I think I'm going to sod it off and tell them it's not my problem. I do feel bad letting them down but it ain't sitting right with me so I think im going to have to pass. Cheers chaps
 
I think I'm going to sod it off and tell them it's not my problem. I do feel bad letting them down but it ain't sitting right with me so I think im going to have to pass. Cheers chaps

Your not letting them down, it's not your job. They're asking you to lie! Would he lie for you if it involved his livelihood.
 
The solicitor is being an arsehole, I had exactly the same situation mate a few years ago. My mate and another mate of his had fitted their own combi and rads in a holiday home they bought in the lake district, about 5 years later the mate rang me and asked if I could sign the boiler off because when he'd filled the forms in for the exchange of contract he had put down that the combi had been fitted in the last five years. The solicitor had noticed this and wanted the building regs cert. Anyway I refused to register BUT I wrote him a very vague unspecific letter with no details saying that I had worked at the property during it's renovation and had added parts on to an already existing system. I never said what parts, and never heard another thing from the solicitor. Worse case for your mate like others have said is that he will need to take out indemnity to protect the new owner, more and more solicitors these days are picking over details.

When I sold my own house a few years ago, 'their' solicitor also wanted me to buy an indemnity policy for my double glazed windows because building regs hadn't been notified when they had been put in, they were already in when I bought the house about ten years before and luckily for me I had kept the previous owners list of fixtures and fittings and on there he had wrote DG fitted 1990. Otherwise I would've been buying indemnity, it's a ferking racket !!!!!
 
it happens every day on sites the blokes who fit the boiler have moved on before theres any water or power on the jobs so someone has to commision and fire up then fill out the certs do you all realy think builders/ developers are going to rip it out and start again every time some one leaves a company?
 

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