Aquabion, Calcmag or similar

[MattyKHZ]

Hi,

Looking for some info on what would be best to use whilst getting a new kitchen done.

I am in Tamworth and water is hard and suffer from limescale.

I do not have room for a salt based water softener and do not want to increase sodium intake so looking at one of the devices that gets plumbed into the inlet supply and the 2 main ones seem to be calmag and aquabion. Not sure why aquabion orks out to be 3 x the price as they look the same to me but if anyone could advise what would be best to use I would appreciate it.

Many thanks,

Matt.

 

[MattyKHZ]

Should read calmag rather than Calcmag !!!

 

[mountainman]

I'm not convinced that any of the magnetic/RF or scale reducers do anything worthwhile and I've been fitting them for many years.

If you want soft water there is only one way to go!
Bring on the sodium, fish 'n chips wouldn't be appetising without it.

 

[Proplumber]

Aquabion is a product which copied scalebuster (uk made product) the German Company making this copy technology paid the UK company compensation for passing off many years ago enough said! Aquabion has a patent but anybody could make it, it's a lump of zinc with stainless steel mesh at either end in a brass pipe. Go with the Calmag or Scalebuster as both these technologies are originals..

 

[Tapsandsinks]

Aquabion is a product which copied scalebuster (uk made product) the German Company making this copy technology paid the UK company compensation for passing off many years ago enough said! Aquabion has a patent but anybody could make it, it's a lump of zinc with stainless steel mesh at either end in a brass pipe. Go with the Calmag or Scalebuster as both these technologies are originals..

What a load of tosh! Aquabion has proven itself over many years in many countries in treating limescale. If "anybody could make it" as you so authoritatively inform us, why aren't they? :confused5: Maybe something to do with it's unique patented design which makes it so much more effective than the alternatives?

 

[Eurowater]

What a load of tosh! Aquabion has proven itself over many years in many countries in treating limescale. If "anybody could make it" as you so authoritatively inform us, why aren't they? :confused5: Maybe something to do with it's unique patented design which makes it so much more effective than the alternatives?

Nice thread.

There are lots of these types of product in Europe. aquabion was "invented" by a former distributor of the Patented Scalebuster, if you look it up. I agree with ProPlumber check the Public court records in Dusseldorf.

The anode (the bit that makes it work according to websites) in the Aquabion is identical to the Patented Scalebuster anode, look at images of both products online. there are lots of inventions with patents that would be easy to prove "non inventive" Aquabion is expensive compared to the Scalebuster I am told. Both have sold many around the world if you look at published data. You might even find that Scalebuster agents are charged less than Aquabion agents. Scalebuster has sold in excess of 150,000 units apparently.

ProPlumber didn't say Aquabion did not work, I think its more a case of why pay more than you have to.

Perhaps some one should publish the links to the Public records of all the court actions the "inventor" of Aquabion lost in Dusseldorf and paid out damages on..
Your thoughts seem as you are so informed on the history...:50:

 

[Snapshooter]

Can anyone comment on effectiveness (or not!) of Aquabion/Scaleguard/Scalebuster, or any other limescale beating solution (other than an add-salt water softener)? Really struggling to get quality feedback on this - despite the tens of thousands of devices installed around the country.
Many thanks

 

[Roger Welton]

In my experience of seeing the various alternatives fitted before combis, I can safely say I've replaced scaled plate heat exchangers with pretty much every variety fitted (magnetic, electrolytic, polyphos). Only solution that I would (and do) have at home is a salt fed softener.

 

[PaulBrookes]

In my experience of seeing the various alternatives fitted before combis, I can safely say I've replaced scaled plate heat exchangers with pretty much every variety fitted (magnetic, electrolytic, polyphos). Only solution that I would (and do) have at home is a salt fed softener.

I have to agree with Roger here, I have had lots of alternative devices including the aquabion but still not satisfied. However I am currently trying out Nocalc which so far is working extremely well. This was a recommendation made to a client of mine which I fitted for them. They are raving about it and to be honest, so far I am very impressed.

Paul

 

[SamThreesixty]

In my experience of seeing the various alternatives fitted before combis, I can safely say I've replaced scaled plate heat exchangers with pretty much every variety fitted (magnetic, electrolytic, polyphos). Only solution that I would (and do) have at home is a salt fed softener.

We're a small plumbing company in Bristol and it was exactly this problem that made us look for another solution as everything on the UK market seemed to either be cheap and not work well or be expensive with ongoing costs and other drawbacks. We looked overseas and in Australia we found a superb device called the Ecosoft Water Conditioner, which looks like the inline lime scale removers but works completely differently internally, has none of the drawbacks of the salt based units, and has an 100% effectiveness, lifetime warranty (ie our lifetimes!) because they are so confident given its impeccable results in Oz for over 30 years, where it's manufactured. Take a look at the website (being redone right now for the UK) and shout if you want more info, we'd be delighted to send you some relevant info, as we're excited at being the sole UK distributors for this genuinely new, and effective device to solve this horrible problem. (Ps we have lots of testimonials of happy, hard water clients)

 

[DelboyJay]

Sadly you can't use water softeners which feed into Worcester Bosch boilers according to the Bosch themselves. So looks like I have to have both! :sad:

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Sadly you can't use water softeners which feed into Worcester Bosch boilers according to the Bosch themselves. So looks like I have to have both! :sad:

bs

"Water softeners are now commonly used, especially in hard water areas around the UK.

With a condensing boiler, if you intend to use a water softener unit you must remember that due to the change in ph level, you must not fill your heating system with such water. This could jeopardise the longevity of your heating system and may affect your boiler warranty.

Therefore it is wise, when adding water using the filling loop to your condensing boiler, that this is fitted prior to the softener unit.

It is acceptable to pass softened water through the domestic hot water circuit of a combi boiler with no negative affects; care must be taken when siting the filling link with this arrangement to ensure an untreated supply is used for refilling the heating system."

http://www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/cache/file/44/water-softeners-and-scale-inhibitors.pdf

 

[chin_lam@hotmai]

I have Aquabion installed in restaurants, one in Portsmouth from October 2015 and one in The O2 from January 2016. Although I have noticed a slight improvement, a huge amount of scale continues to build up on the heating elements in my equipment. Unfortunately, these devices are not effective enough for my purpose. So far, for me, a salt-base water softener is the only method proven to eliminate lime scale. Will welcome you to conduct a test of the effectiveness of your Ecosoft in my unit.

 

[rpm]

I have Aquabion installed in restaurants, one in Portsmouth from October 2015 and one in The O2 from January 2016. Although I have noticed a slight improvement, a huge amount of scale continues to build up on the heating elements in my equipment. Unfortunately, these devices are not effective enough for my purpose. So far, for me, a salt-base water softener is the only method proven to eliminate lime scale. Will welcome you to conduct a test of the effectiveness of your Ecosoft in my unit.

Kind of strange 1st post and I`m not sure to whom it is aimed tbh.

 

[Unregistered]

if you bothered to read the thread it is obviously in response to post #10

 

[rpm]

if you bothered to read the thread it is obviously in response to post #10

Who made 1 post over 2yrs ago - Pointless !

 

[Dotty]

Dragging ancient threads up then getting snotty with established members of the forum doesn't endear yourself to me.

If you want to discuss further create a new, relevant thread. And wind your neck in first or you may not receive any answers.