Boiler Scrappage Scheme petition

[MickW]

Hi everyone

I have created a petition urging the government to create a 'Boiler Scrappage' scheme, similar to the scrappage scheme for cars, but aimed at replacing some of the millions of old, inefficient gas boilers out there.

It would be very good for the environment and would save householders money on their gas bills and, most importantly for us, it would create a demand for boiler changes which would be good for the plumbing and heating game.

You can read a bit more about it here and there is a link to the Number10 e-petitions website where you can sign if you think it is a good idea.
Trade Only

If you just want to sign it straight away, here is a link to the petition:
Petition to: work with manufacturers of central heating boilers to create a 'Boiler Scrappage Scheme'. | Number10.gov.uk

I hope you're all busy!!

Best regards
Mick

 

[stevetheplumber]

i wouldnt bother if the goverment agreed to this they would have to set up a commitee choose a prefered partner to work with , the prefered partner would then choose a managing company to run the scheme they would in turn pass the job to companies with a minimum turnover of 10 million and they would then sub it out to small companies for basic wages every one would get a crap boiler and a equally crap install
if you want an example take a look at the warmfront scheme
unless the grants are paid direct to the applicant the only people making money will be those running it

 

[MickW]

i wouldnt bother if the goverment agreed to this they would have to set up a commitee choose a prefered partner to work with , the prefered partner would then choose a managing company to run the scheme they would in turn pass the job to companies with a minimum turnover of 10 million and they would then sub it out to small companies for basic wages every one would get a crap boiler and a equally crap install

You quite like the idea, then! 🙂

 

[Puddle]

i wouldnt bother if the goverment agreed to this they would have to set up a commitee choose a prefered partner to work with , the prefered partner would then choose a managing company to run the scheme they would in turn pass the job to companies with a minimum turnover of 10 million and they would then sub it out to small companies for basic wages every one would get a crap boiler and a equally crap install
if you want an example take a look at the warmfront scheme
unless the grants are paid direct to the applicant the only people making money will be those running it

Well put steve,was wondering how to reply,will just second what you have said,as can not put it any better myself 🙂

 

[badbob]

I think would just be better if the goverment gave 50% off any boiler install, ours cost quite a lot from British Gas (would have gone to another one, but person across the street did but they made a bodge job)

 

[Jason.S]

A little O/T but a friend of mine was able to get funding to sort out his CU and various electrical bits in his home.

The council said they wanted 2 quotes.

They had the name of a sparky/firm and he asked me to quote.

Needless to say the other firm got the work, even though i was £250 cheaper.

Therefore, the council will generally just use the firm that does their work.

Same sort of thing i expect with other schemes..

 

[MickW]

Well, all the comments so far have been pretty negative 🙁

The idea has been very well received everywhere else - at least I am trying to do something to stimulate our industry.

Ah well ............

 

[MickW]

Despite the negative comments, I thought I'd give you a quick update on the 'Boiler Scrappage' petition.

Since I last posted, we have a Campaign Manager, a Press Officer and a website reheatbritain

In the trade, Worcester, Baxi, PTS, Grahams and Pimlico Plumbers amongst many others are actively supporting the campaign and we are now getting increasing support from environmentalists.

It's early days, but I'm sure the petition will get the 500 signatures that will ensure a response from the government this week and, after that, who knows.

Anyway, that's it - if you like the idea and want to sign, there is a link on the website.

 

[MickW]

The campaign is going well!

We have massive industry support, increasing Green and political support and more than 1000 signatures on the petition.

Check out the website to see what people are saying about the campaign: Reheat Britain | The campaign for a boiler scrappage scheme

There is also a Reheat Britain Facebook group: Reheat Britain | Facebook

 

[Hugh]

Good work Mick!

lets hope it works and get men back out to work big money or not.

 

[MickW]

Good work Mick!

lets hope it works and get men back out to work big money or not.

Thanks!

Over 1,200 signatures now 🙂

 

[radswilldo]

Boiler scrappage scheme

Anyone heard details. I imagine it will be done so that only the big companies can access the scheme.

 

[smoggs03]

Re: Boiler scrappage scheme

Anyone heard details. I imagine it will be done so that only the big companies can access the scheme.

could be, BG give 300 quid already

 

[stevetheplumber]

Re: Boiler scrappage scheme

could be, BG give 300 quid already

if i could get the prices BG get id offer a thousand back

 

[radswilldo]

Re: Boiler scrappage scheme

That doesn't bother me smogg, I've never lost an estimate to bg, thats not just price. Had them not forefilling part L before, leaving out T.R.V's, used job for the last corgi inspec I had, passed bg estimate to inspector, said he wanted it, never heard back. You work for them dont you?, whats there word on it.

if i could get the prices BG get id offer a thousand back

Yes true, but long may bg continue

 

[smoggs03]

Re: Boiler scrappage scheme

That doesn't bother me smogg, I've never lost an estimate to bg, thats not just price. Had them not forefilling part L before, leaving out T.R.V's, used job for the last corgi inspec I had, passed bg estimate to inspector, said he wanted it, never heard back. You work for them dont you?, whats there word on it.


word on?? scrappage scheme 300 quid saw the death of 300 trade in discount.. part L is a bit of a p155 take because our salesmen are called advisors who advise the customers who have the right to refuse best advice.. therefore not breaking part L on our part!!

 

[anz]

Re: Boiler scrappage scheme

Help-Link are trialling a scrappage scheme, I'm not sure how it works, but I've heard their adverts on the radio. They give a £500 grant towards a new boiler, if you've got a old non condensing one.

 

[stevetheplumber]

Re: Boiler scrappage scheme

Help-Link are trialling a scrappage scheme, I'm not sure how it works, but I've heard their adverts on the radio. They give a £500 grant towards a new boiler, if you've got a old non condensing one.

it works by charging 500 more to start with

 

[MickW]

Good work Mick!

lets hope it works and get men back out to work big money or not.

Thanks!

Over 1,200 signatures now 🙂

Hi Hugh

As you were the only one on here to give me any encouragement at all, I thought you would be interested to know that we have done it!

In his Pre-Budget Report tomorrow, the Chancellor will announce a £300 per boiler scrappage scheme. I don't have any more details at the moment, but I will still be working to ensure that small business will be able to benefit.

My proposal is that the grant should go to the householder. He can then get competitive quotes from any Gas Safe installer, who will write off the job as complete so that the grant gets paid.

If the scheme isn't like this, or something similar, I guess I'll have to carry on campaigning 🙂

 

[anz]

Re: Boiler scrappage scheme

it works by charging 500 more to start with

LOL yeah probably!

Anyway looks like tomorrows Pre Budget Report might mention something about a boiler scrappage scheme. Look Here.

 

[anz]

That's great news, its nice to see that you didn't give up, and made the effort which will benefit us all hopefully.

 

[MickW]

That's great news, its nice to see that you didn't give up, and made the effort which will benefit us all hopefully.

Thank you.

I'm talking to the Dept of Energy and Climate Change about how it will work. As far as I am concerned, the householder must get the grant so that he can get competitive quotes from any Gas Safe installer, giving small businesses a good chance to benefit.

I'll post details of the scheme on here as soon as I get them.

 

[Bernie2]

The government have an ideal twin opportunity with the boiler scrappage scheme. One is as said replacing old boilers.
But also to provide work for small businesses.

Boiler sellers and manufacturers would have to hold their prices down to the pre announcement prices as would the small installer companies, or come up with a unit price plus agreed extras.

Lets be honest, there seems little point in a government giving £200 million to a scheme if all it does is add another layer of administration and manufacturers, suppliers and installers think its charge what you like time, the governments paying.

Warm Front as far as I can tell, charge a fortune and try to pass on the extra cost to the clients who are often some of the poorest people. That surely is not how its supposed to work?

Its easy to let running costs get out of hand and find your running costs dictating your charges.

It requires a certain amount of fiscal know how and industry knowledge to keep these schemes going and get the most out of them for the end user.

The object is to get the job done, share the cash about, acting as an industry trade stimulus as well as address green issues, not make loads of money out of it.

Anyway in a decade or two gas may not be the main fuel, what then another round of grants?

Don't get me wrong I am all for the scheme, but would like client value to come out of it.

 

[stevetheplumber]

using the phrase "fiscal know how" in a post thay starts with the words "the goverment"
doesnt seem to ring true to me bernie

 

[MickW]

The government have an ideal twin opportunity with the boiler scrappage scheme. One is as said replacing old boilers.
But also to provide work for small businesses.

Boiler sellers and manufacturers would have to hold their prices down to the pre announcement prices as would the small installer companies, or come up with a unit price plus agreed extras.

Lets be honest, there seems little point in a government giving £200 million to a scheme if all it does is add another layer of administration and manufacturers, suppliers and installers think its charge what you like time, the governments paying.

Warm Front as far as I can tell, charge a fortune and try to pass on the extra cost to the clients who are often some of the poorest people. That surely is not how its supposed to work?

Its easy to let running costs get out of hand and find your running costs dictating your charges.

It requires a certain amount of fiscal know how and industry knowledge to keep these schemes going and get the most out of them for the end user.

The object is to get the job done, share the cash about, acting as an industry trade stimulus as well as address green issues, not make loads of money out of it.

Anyway in a decade or two gas may not be the main fuel, what then another round of grants?

Don't get me wrong I am all for the scheme, but would like client value to come out of it.

I share all of your concerns and they are all addressed IF the scheme allows the householder to receive the £400 grant.

The householder can then get competitive quotes from Gas Safe registered installers and that may be a one man band or British Gas. The main thing is that there is competition - that will keep prices down.

That is what I am asking the Dept of Energy & Climate Change to do, thereby ensuring that the householder will definitely benefit along with small business.