Landlords certs ??

[goz666]

Hi people

I know there's probably been hundreds of posts on here about this subject but here goes.
In my area most GSR lads are charging £40-£50 for these checks, I don't personally do many only if I know the landlord well and know am going to be paid same day.

I did one the other week that started at 9.00am and I finished at 11.30, in this time I checked a cooker, boiler, gas fire and Gas Tightness.

Came across a few problems the main one being the gas fire which when smoke tested the smoke was emitted through the chimney pointing and when looking in the loft (which was a converted bedroom) found smoke in the loft as well, anyway fire capped off paperwork completed......for £50....there is currently a local company advertising the same service at £29.95 no limit on appliances..... pfffft !!

Is it not about time we set a standard rate for this service ??

Should it not be the job of the HSE and Gas Safe to set the rate and issue an MOT type certificate and then keep a record of landlords details and appliances ?? For the price of our qualifications ( which mine are due this year) surely to most lads this type of work is secondary income and adds little to the pot !!

Have also found that landlord's seem to be the worst payers round here, they want the cert issued so they're in the clear, but when it comes to paying they take the proverbial.
I think all the Certificates should be reported to Gas Safe and any not paid forwithin an agreed time limit a warning issued and then if still not paid for the local council informed and the certificate revoked. Maybe it will make landlords take them a bit more seriously, and earn us the money we should be getting (on time) for this sort of work.:confused5:

 

[marleyco]

It's not a bad idea about revoking them, only they won't do anything to help us get our money in. The seriousness of the landlord cert is a big thing with gas safe etc and putting details on a data base which keeps track on landlords would be a good idea. This way they would have no choice but to comply and maybe we would see less incidents, only this would have a cost which we would suffer for.

 

[REDSAW]

i dont part with the cert untill i get me money, simples.

 

[marleyco]

Maybe try invoice first with certificate to follow on payment, costs extra for the stamp and extra paperwork but you will get paid easier I would think

 

[goz666]

I currently only work for landlords who pay up instantly, previously have given certs out and had trouble getting the dosh in. My main gripe is the cost, what sort of rates are you fellas charging for this job ??

 

[julesverne]

i dont part with the cert untill i get me money, simples.

same here no cash no certificate simple as

 

[kirkgas]

it is unworkable for the governing body to set a minimum price, it isnt the governments place to decide how much money i need to charge per hour or job to cover my overheads and or expected profit, some of us need more and some of us want more so it cant happen, i appreciate where you are coming from but it isnt workable, but as you say even someone with minimum financial requirement caannot do a good job for £x per hour

 

[stevetheplumber]

thats funny as they already do set a price for the mot,garages are free to charge less but not more than the goverment prices

 

[kirkgas]

thats funny as they already do set a price for the mot,garages are free to charge less but not more than the goverment prices

i did actually mean to include that exact fact to back up what i'm saying, its funny that we use the same fact for 2 different opinions haha we should be politicians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if the max charge for an MOT is £62 then its up to everyone to charge what they want under that, to use the scenario for safety checks wont help us as people are charging 2 bob to do it, and thats the problem, what we need to happen is a minimum price which is price fixing and wont be allowed, there would be an outcry if the DoT told garages they MUST charge us £ £92, just the same as telling customers they MUST pay £60 quid for a basic safety check, then another £50 per appliance, if i have no mortgage or little outgoings and i want to charge £30 per hour then i will do so, the fact you need more to pay for your outgoings isnt my business, and my customers shouldnt have to pay for your lifestyle

 

[jaybob]

i did actually mean to include that exact fact to back up what i'm saying, its funny that we use the same fact for 2 different opinions haha we should be politicians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if the max charge for an MOT is £62 then its up to everyone to charge what they want under that, to use the scenario for safety checks wont help us as people are charging 2 bob to do it, and thats the problem, what we need to happen is a minimum price which is price fixing and wont be allowed, there would be an outcry if the DoT told garages they MUST charge us £ £92, just the same as telling customers they MUST pay £60 quid for a basic safety check, then another £50 per appliance, if i have no mortgage or little outgoings and i want to charge £30 per hour then i will do so, the fact you need more to pay for your outgoings isnt my business, and my customers shouldnt have to pay for your lifestyle

had to read through twice then to let it sink in but iagree
with you there the problem is how low people charge so even if they bought somthing in it would only be for maxinum which wouldnt solve the issue thumbs up for pointing that out

 

[Halesowen1]

Working to a set price is well and good for some, but I think customers should pay more for a better service. It still aint gonna help get money from bad payers either.

 

[Toned.f]

Have also found that landlord's seem to be the worst payers round here, they want the cert issued so they're in the clear, but when it comes to paying they take the proverbial.

Hand over the cert ONLY after payment has been made. Cures any "misunderstandings".

 

[Puddle]

I do a lot of gsr's for landlords.bad and good and have very little problems with payment but I follow a proved system,all landlords have to e mail me direct and request the gsr at the cost advised or leave payment with agent or flat,I do gsr and e mail back invoice,they can send cheque but mostly all pay into bank account ,via internet banking,if I do not get a e mail and they arrange to leave at flat or agent and it is not there,I do not issue report until they have dropped cheque into agent or sent

Do not trust agent,they will lead you a merry trail,all they want is the paperwork for move in,even if property managed and they say will take out of rent,follow above,could be 2 months before any rent is free to pay your bill

Above is from experience,a lot of problems is not with the land lord but when agents get involved,you have to work with them as they can provide so much work but no matter how well you know them,they will never be trustworthy

As for they gas safety inspection,would like to see required inspection points defined better,to much is down to interpretation

 

[gasmarc]

Spot on Puddle I am still chasing a payment for £450 for a boiler repair done in january for £450 and i have been doing work for this firm of estate agents for 10 years. They now have someone who does the jobs cheaper than me like all the other estate agents. No Loyalty whatsoever

 

[woodsy]

Totally agree with redsaw & jules verne - landlords (generally ) = untrustworthy and no certificate until payment received.

 

[Howsie]

Where are you? This neck if the woods £70 all day long. No cash no cert.

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[armourer]

Just to throw a spanner in the works I happen to know the nations biggest provider pays their engineers (priced engineers but not subbies).

12.50 per cert.
Might not sound a lot but x15 per day soon mounts up.

(And no I am not a service engineer).

 

[Puddle]

Just to throw a spanner in the works I happen to know the nations biggest provider pays their engineers (priced engineers but not subbies).

12.50 per cert.
Might not sound a lot but x15 per day soon mounts up.

(And no I am not a service engineer).

Think we get back to the issue of them being done incorrect here,officially you can not do 15 a day properly

Are they doing full cp12's or just boiler checks,ie analyser probes in and out ?

 

[Toned.f]

Are they doing full cp12's or just boiler checks,ie analyser probes in and out ?

Wiping the boiler case with a damp rag probably.

 

[armourer]

Mostly Isars on this patch and until recently probably combustion only but now have to remove fan and burner units to inspect electrodes and burners (insulation etc).
Not just boilers but multiple appliances.

Anyway, like I said I am not a service engineer so I better stop before I talk myself into trouble.
You never know whos reading.

 

[gasmarc]

drive by gas certs ltd lol

 

[Kev the gas]

Mostly Isars on this patch and until recently probably combustion only but now have to remove fan and burner units to inspect electrodes and burners (insulation etc).
Not just boilers but multiple appliances.

So that would be a service then, not a gas safety inspection.

 

[gasmarc]

I cannot see how people can do these certs and a so call service for £45 , beyond me

 

[goz666]

Thanks for all the replies, firstly am shocked anyone can do 15 LLGSC's in a day !! If possible then not worth the paper they're written on IMO.
I was in my daughter's house once when her cert was done and the engineer was in there approx 20 mins, cover off the boiler Manometer on gas valve 20 there so ticked off ok, same on gas fire 20 there so ticked off ok, and 20 on the cooker so thats ok.
Never removed the gas fire to check the flue, did nothing at all only the gas inlet tests, and a tightness test. I agree with puddle that to much is open to interpretation.