Nothing to shout about but engineer failed ReACS

[chris watkins]

Now this is a delicate post & I did think twice, it is never nice to see a fellow engineer loose his gas ticket & possible his job, as a result but I remembered all the posting a while ago about how no one ever fails the Gas Re Assessment (CCN1) well it is not true, they did & it was not nice, he was not happy but from what I saw he did except that he just did not know enough (just did boiler install). From what I heard, what was worse was that the centre & assessor had originally trained the guy !!
Just thought I would let you lot know.

 

[Whn1]

Do you teach chris?

 

[dancinplumba]

thank you for this piece of information, will go and stand in the corner and cry

 

[mutley racers]

you beat me again!! i was thinking the same thing. DOH!!!!

 

[mutley racers]

Don't cry

 

[chris watkins]

thank you for this piece of information, will go and stand in the corner and cry

why........?

 

[dancinplumba]

cos i am devastated to here this news 🙁

 

[dancinplumba]

Remember, there are those that 'Do' and those that 'Teach' 🙂

 

[villa_tom]

Now this is a delicate post & I did think twice, it is never nice to see a fellow engineer loose his gas ticket & possible his job, as a result but I remembered all the posting a while ago about how no one ever fails the Gas Re Assessment (CCN1) well it is not true, they did & it was not nice, he was not happy but from what I saw he did except that he just did not know enough (just did boiler install). From what I heard, what was worse was that the centre & assessor had originally trained the guy !!
Just thought I would let you lot know.

I feel for the bloke, but just because he only does installs is no excuse. Installers have just as much responsibility as a service and repair guy like myself. I can't stand installers that don't know the rules and say "I'm and installer"

like I say i feel for the bloke but if you ain't good enough you ain't good enough. There's no way I'd let someone service my boiler who I though didint know their job. I know it may sound harsh what I'm saying but if you don't know the rules of the job then you shouldn't be doing it.

 

[chris watkins]

O' ok whatever what ever, off you go, I will tell you when you can come out & have your tea.

 

[EPH]

To be fair, he must have been terrible for them to fail him!

 

[chris watkins]

Remember, there are those that 'Do' and those that 'Teach' 🙂

And then there are those that do both !!!! Can you ?

 

[dancinplumba]

And then there are those that do both !!!! Can you ?

everyday 🙂

 

[chris watkins]

I feel for the bloke, but just because he only does installs is no excuse. Installers have just as much responsibility as a service and repair guy like myself. I can't stand installers that don't know the rules and say "I'm and installer"

like I say i feel for the bloke but if you ain't good enough you ain't good enough. There's no way I'd let someone service my boiler who I though didint know their job. I know it may sound harsh what I'm saying but if you don't know the rules of the job then you shouldn't be doing it.

This seems to be the problem Tom the gas ticket allows you to do all types of work so he may only be installing today but next week he could be as you say chancing his arm servicing an O/F back boiler or the likes.

 

[dancinplumba]

just followed 2 so called gsr's 1 left cover of boiler and fga point open. 450 ppm co in kitchen !! and other been doin llsc on boiler with 15 mm pipework and 12 Mbar working, fooking ******s

 

[chris watkins]

everyday 🙂

Good then we are a pair.
Now how about getting off my back ? If I upset you in the past I am sorry.

 

[vern]

Now this is a delicate post & I did think twice, it is never nice to see a fellow engineer loose his gas ticket & possible his job, as a result but I remembered all the posting a while ago about how no one ever fails the Gas Re Assessment (CCN1) well it is not true, they did & it was not nice, he was not happy but from what I saw he did except that he just did not know enough (just did boiler install). From what I heard, what was worse was that the centre & assessor had originally trained the guy !!
Just thought I would let you lot know.

Chris has I have posted in another thread, a local coucil guy failed his G3 the week before I did mine, he was then rebooked after training to be on my course, he rang in sick!

A couple of years before a guy failed his CCN1, he could not inform the instructor the difference between standing and working pressure, along with numerous other things, no TCB when removing a meter, not capping the meter off and soldering near the outlet I could go on......

Sad but you are there to prove your competence wherever we like it or not....I do not costs me money and time off, but you have to pay to play end of!

 

[Nostrum]

Chris, I have mentioned the no fail on re-assess before, if I remember it was actually an official document raised to question the whole assessment process. No idea where or how I found it though. I will have a dig around and see of I can find it again.

As for the chap failing, providing it wasn't just because someone was in the wrong mood (the assessor) I say great! It's nice to think that it is possible to fail. He's only got himself to blame, installer or not. I was installing for 7 years and managed the re-assessment so I have no sympathy for the bloke whatsoever, he obviously wasn't doing his job right for the last 5 years.

 

[Barry98]

I ,eft the sample point off my own boiler last year after going through some basics with a new starter . Mrs complaining of headaches etc for a few days . Think I posed on it DOHHHHH!!!!!

 

[Nostrum]

Chris has I have posted in another thread, a local coucil guy failed his G3 the week before I did mine, he was then rebooked after training to be on my course, he rang in sick!

A couple of years before a guy failed his CCN1, he could not inform the instructor the difference between standing and working pressure, along with numerous other things, no TCB when removing a meter, not capping the meter off and soldering near the outlet I could go on......

Sad but you are there to prove your competence wherever we like it or not....I do not costs me money and time off, but you have to pay to play end of!

i remember working with an old bloke when I was an apprentice, who was soldering the first elbow onto a meter union still connected up, the pipe was open ended about a foot away. When someone questioned him about it, he was literally unaware of the potential outcome. Mind you he passed through the old ACOP's which says a lot. It changed just before I started but from what I heard it was a group of people sat around a desk and if 1 person knew the answers then everyone passed.

 

[vern]

I ,eft the sample point off my own boiler last year after going through some basics with a new starter . Mrs complaining of headaches etc for a few days . Think I posed on it DOHHHHH!!!!!

LMAO.......naughty boy, that ones in the cheap divorce book

 

[Keefy]

I failed my first time, everything was spot on except I'd missed the training day where we're supposed to have covered the medium pressure regulator. When I was asked by the assessor to carry out a tightness on one I was like - 'What is it? Never seen it before.'

I think it was another month or so before I could take it again. All because I missed 1 day of training.

 

[vern]

i remember working with an old bloke when I was an apprentice, who was soldering the first elbow onto a meter union still connected up, the pipe was open ended about a foot away. When someone questioned him about it, he was literally unaware of the potential outcome. Mind you he passed through the old ACOP's which says a lot. It changed just before I started but from what I heard it was a group of people sat around a desk and if 1 person knew the answers then everyone passed.

Once you have literally seen one blow up and tear the 2 sections of a U6 apart exposing the 4 meter compartments all over a workshop you tend to remember to either remove it or disc off! Lol and no it was not me, the guy was very lucky no injuries apart from his pride and shock!

 

[chris watkins]

Chris, I have mentioned the no fail on re-assess before, if I remember it was actually an official document raised to question the whole assessment process. No idea where or how I found it though. I will have a dig around and see of I can find it again.

As for the chap failing, providing it wasn't just because someone was in the wrong mood (the assessor) I say great! It's nice to think that it is possible to fail. He's only got himself to blame, installer or not. I was installing for 7 years and managed the re-assessment so I have no sympathy for the bloke whatsoever, he obviously wasn't doing his job right for the last 5 years.

From the look of him I would guess this was his first Re- , so to be charitable it might be the old "use it or loose it" done his training & sat the initial soon after, so still all fresh. After 5 years of fitting boilers it is quite a different matter. I think as we get older & have done it a few times it tends to stay in (& having worked on a few O/P boilers etc they are familiar) still as you say you need to know what you need to know.
I was quite heartened to see the standards being upheld but still not nice to see + week off work - training & assessment all wasted.

 

[Nostrum]

The bloke who trained me for my city and guilds was ex BG and showed us some horrifying photos of the aftermath. One of them was under the stairs and it had ripped the stair case apart. He then did the coffee tin example where they got a catering coffee tin and filled it with gas and lit it through a small hole. Lights off and wait for it to pop, although only the lid shot off it it was a good example as to the principles of what causes the explosion and why.

 

[Nostrum]

Thinking about it, how can you fail an open book assessment?

 

[TBServices]

I'll be honest, my ACS will be due in 2 years time, and it will be my first re-assessment since passing first time, and come that day, I'll be bricking it.

There's so much stuff I just don't come across in real life situations that I've forgotten already, I doubt I'd make it through without a bit of refreshment training first.

 

[vern]

The bloke who trained me for my city and guilds was ex BG and showed us some horrifying photos of the aftermath. One of them was under the stairs and it had ripped the stair case apart. He then did the coffee tin example where they got a catering coffee tin and filled it with gas and lit it through a small hole. Lights off and wait for it to pop, although only the lid shot off it it was a good example as to the principles of what causes the explosion and why.

What they call him pal? as that method was a BG one they taught their instructors, along with mad Ted who would learn you all you had to know how dangerous LPG could be.........his demo went like this.....

Just before the coffee break, he would discharge a small amount of unlit LPG. Via a regulator and hose in a pit which was in a workshop around 2 feet below floor level.....then declare coffee time, on return 10-15 mins later he would gather you all round, and ask what he did before break and how long you had been on break, before you could answer he would throw a prepared taper in the pit, f......k it went with a flash and a bang, never forgot that ever!

 

[chris watkins]

i remember working with an old bloke when I was an apprentice, who was soldering the first elbow onto a meter union still connected up, the pipe was open ended about a foot away. When someone questioned him about it, he was literally unaware of the potential outcome. Mind you he passed through the old ACOP's which says a lot. It changed just before I started but from what I heard it was a group of people sat around a desk and if 1 person knew the answers then everyone passed.

Yes it was a bit like that, I remember a young lad being sent back & forth until he could tell the guy what a thermocouple was, got very embarrassing but they had to try to get all the people working with gas in from the cold as it were & signed up so that they could start the proses of training & assessment. Most people know what was going on & a lot did get weeded out after. (I slipped through the net though 🙂)

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

Thinking about it, how can you fail an open book assessment?

maybe he could not read but apart from that damned if i know

 

[vern]

Thinking about it, how can you fail an open book assessment?

Easy you get 3 goes and there are 4 answers lol, practicals a lot more easier to fail too!

 

[Mike Jackson]

I always do the refresher training. Mainly to get me back into the college way of thinking but there are quite often little things that have changed. The trouble is when you are doing it day in day out you do a lot of stuff in autopilot and have to really concentrate to explain what you have been doing.

I think the controls rig can be daunting at times. There are controls on there that you only ever see once every 5 years at re assessment time.

 

[vern]

I'll be honest, my ACS will be due in 2 years time, and it will be my first re-assessment since passing first time, and come that day, I'll be bricking it.

There's so much stuff I just don't come across in real life situations that I've forgotten already, I doubt I'd make it through without a bit of refreshment training first.

Don't go to Leeds Tom, or I will make them give you hell as you mock my WB boilers and fit ideals :cheesy:

 

[TBServices]

Don't go to Leeds Tom, or I will make them give you hell as you mock my WB boilers and fit ideals :cheesy:

Is Mark Cawood still there mate? Was a top bloke when I did my gas training there.

TBH, I've had a bad day with ideal today, was gonna make a thread but so peeved off ATM I can't face it lol.

 

[zeebeedee]

In my experience the Assesor will guide you on the obscure stuff "IF" he thinks your competent, failing on simple things like standing and working pressure would not fill anyone with confidence! The basic stuff is the most important, flues ventilation pressures and gas rates every gas engineer should know them or at least have a good idea and the common sense to look it up to clarify his thoughts.

Installer or service engineer it makes no odds, not knowing the difference between standing and working pressure is a disgrace