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I would imagine that there have been previous threads that have mentioned this problem but I wanted to start afresh.
My problem is regular, mid-frequency drone in the cold water feed, which materialises when the cold tap in the kitchen is opened. It also happens when the upstairs toilet is flushed & the basin hot water tap is opened. It doesn't seem to occur with the same regularity when other taps are opened; some taps won't induce the drone at all!
As a background, the cold feed into the house is black plastic, reverting to 15mm copper in the kitchen. There is a mixture of copper & plastic piping in the property but this has been the situation for a significant time before the droning appeared. The local water pressure varies dramatically, & has caused problems with leaks, etc., in the past. A previous owner had a PRV fitted to the incoming main &, initially, this was thought to be the source of the oscillations. A new PRV was fitted but the drone continues. I have set the PRV at an almost infinite number of pressure settings, from nearly 6 bar down to 1.5 bar. Although the frequency & intensity of the drone lessens as the pressure is reduced, it's still there. Currently, the PRV is set to 3.5 bar.
The kitchen taps are 1/4 turn mixer; all other taps are screw-down stops. I have a nearly new combi boiler for the hot water.
The only other thing that might possibly have some bearing is that I had to have a section of the mains feed pipe replaced, due to an underground leak, from the street cock to just inside the house. The contractors weren't able to locate the leak, so fed a length of smaller bore pipe along inside the existing plastic pipe, & terminated this to the original pipe at each end. However, that was over 18 months ago & the drone is recent, no more than 4 months.
Hope someone can help?
 
Does fully opening or nearly closing your stop tap make any difference.
 
The noise you're describing sounds like a float valve issue.
If you have any plastic header tanks or a feed and expansion tank I'd look there first. It can be that the part of the tank that the valve fits onto needs strengthening with a metal plate.
Or the valve could just be on its way out and needs replacing.
If you have isolation valves fitted to any of your pipework that feeds a float valve - including your loo, try temporarily isolating them when you hear the noise to find the culprit.

It could be something else, but that's usually the cause of the noise you describe and where I'd look first.
Good luck!
 
OK boys, if it is a float valve (WC or Tank) why does it do it when the hot tap on the basin is operated it is fed by a combi ??

It would be worth checking the washer on the stop valve (or ever the screw down taps) to see if it is not split or not loose, they can vibrate.
 
Thanks for the responses guys.
To clarify - all the cold water is direct mains feed....no store tanks of any kind...& DHW is via a combi
Stani - I haven't tried what you suggest, but I shall as soon as I get home.
Dancinplumba - no, there isn't an expansion vessel adjacent to the PRV, but there never has been one &, as I say, this drone is a recent phenomena.
Chris Watkins - the primary culprit is the kitchen cold tap, which is a 1/4 turn ceramic disc tap, on a mixer body.....no washers.

Thanks so much for all the ideas.
 
OK boys, if it is a float valve (WC or Tank) why does it do it when the hot tap on the basin is operated it is fed by a combi ??

It would be worth checking the washer on the stop valve (or ever the screw down taps) to see if it is not split or not loose, they can vibrate.


OK so it goes to show its best to read the whole post haha
 
Ok my bad its not a diaphragm and you say your taps are 1/4 turn, it may be an issue with the cold water main shut off to the house ,
 
Thanks for the responses guys.
To clarify - all the cold water is direct mains feed....no store tanks of any kind...& DHW is via a comb
Chris Watkins - the primary culprit is the kitchen cold tap, which is a 1/4 turn ceramic disc tap, on a mixer body.....no washers.
As I said & Kris has also suggested, if it is both hot & cold taps then it is likely to be on the common cold main supply into the house i.e. the mains stop valve.
 
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