Paperwork Advice

[fireplace_man]

Hello, as my name suggests, i install gas and solid fuel fireplaces. Ive been gassafe registered for about 2 months now. Three things i am unsure of:
1, Everytime i install a fireplace and fire, other than the chimney and hearth notice plate and documentation, and registering the appliance. do i have to fill out at gas safety form each time?

Also:

2, I have the cooker module, but dont work on cookers at all since doing my acs a few years ago. When doing a landlord certificate, how do i do a gas rate and check burner pressures on hobs?


Finally:

3, A boiler british gas installed have earthing cable over 600mmm away from meter and the pipe wasnt sleeved. Both NCS, but where do i note this? I told the customer, but he was fairly old and doubt he`ll care/remember.
Thanks in advance.

 

[GQuigley67]

gas pipe not sleeved is AR i believe, all you can do is leave relevant paperwork/warning notices and advise the customer.

 

[fireplace_man]

Hello, just double checked in `unsafe situations` it is NCS. So do i have to fill out a form, because the pipes not sleeved? Cheers

 

[AWheating]

yes do a gas cert for new appliance and visual checks on all other appliances with details on the gas cert. Any ncs/ar/id should be noted on a warning notice certificate (or your gas cert if it has a section for this), labels attached etc..... as per unsafe situations.

as for testing gas hobs i would advise you to read through your notes/learning materials. If you have forgotten how to gas rate then its likely you have forgotten alot more and it would be best if you spent some time reviewing your notes from your training. I find it handy to keep my reference books in my van for times when i cant remember things and need to jog the memory.

 

[fireplace_man]

Hello, AWheating
Whoops typo error. Its meant to read after a gas rate how do i do i check pressures. But ive been reading up tonight, just practise like everything else.

Is it a legal requirement to do a `gas safety report` for each new appliance or just good practise?

Cheers

 

[kirkgas]

gas pipe not sleeved is AR i believe, all you can do is leave relevant paperwork/warning notices and advise the customer.

a "clean & sound" unsleeved gas pipe is NCS
a "corroded" unsleeved gas pipe is AR (if not leaking)
a "corroded" unsleeved pipe is ID (if leaking)

 

[kirkgas]

yes do a gas cert for new appliance and visual checks on all other appliances with details on the gas cert. Any ncs/ar/id should be noted on a warning notice certificate (or your gas cert if it has a section for this), labels attached etc..... as per unsafe situations.

as for testing gas hobs i would advise you to read through your notes/learning materials. If you have forgotten how to gas rate then its likely you have forgotten alot more and it would be best if you spent some time reviewing your notes from your training. I find it handy to keep my reference books in my van for times when i cant remember things and need to jog the memory.

a gas cert isnt mandatory for a new appliance, if you want to do one for your/their records thats up to you, if you do one then thats where you record your NCS as good practice, you dont need to write NCS anywhere but TBH it is easier to communicate the info on some form of paperwork that you are producing, IMHO it is a complete waste of time and resources to fill out a warning notice for NCS, becuase the only jobs that dont have some NCS on them are mine, haha and you will soon be demented writing them out

 

[AWheating]

Hello, AWheating
Whoops typo error. Its meant to read after a gas rate how do i do i check pressures. But ive been reading up tonight, just practise like everything else.

Is it a legal requirement to do a `gas safety report` for each new appliance or just good practise?

Cheers

i find its easier and more professional to issue a cert/notice. Its a good record of work carried out and your customer will find it easier to understand any situation. Also when the customer wants other work doing all your details are there on the cert in the draw with the appliance instructions.

The last few gas safe inspectors i have had have even tried to insist that you should record your visual inspection details of the exsisting appliances and state if the appliance is safe to use.

its your choice.

any landlord/local HA will need a cert.

 

[AWheating]

a gas cert isnt mandatory for a new appliance, if you want to do one for your/their records thats up to you, if you do one then thats where you record your NCS as good practice, you dont need to write NCS anywhere but TBH it is easier to communicate the info on some form of paperwork that you are producing, IMHO it is a complete waste of time and resources to fill out a warning notice for NCS, becuase the only jobs that dont have some NCS on them are mine, haha and you will soon be demented writing them out

when i worked on a contract in wolverhampton i had to write a warning notice out for each defect/ncs as it was requested. The most i wrote out was 7 in one property..... 🙁

i do think it does look professional to issue good paperwork. It can be good protection if there is an issue in the future and you have a paper trail to show what you did while you was there.

 

[gasmarc]

Yes I agree it is good practice to do paperwork . Unfortunately I dont like paperwork so dont do any or very little. i have never issued a warning notice I usually cap off and label and photo or call Transco , I recently attended a job where the customer smelled gas when she put her head down in a kitchen cupboard. All the pipework was new and done by transco , I found the leak on the elbow going into the sleeving that was unsealed . I capped off the meter and told her to get transco out , She rang them and was told it was her problem ,I told her to threaten them with GAS SAFE and kick up , An hour later 2 vans and engineers were on the job where the pipe had not been pushed home fully into the fitting. Everyone gets it wrong at some stage:hurray:

 

[kirkgas]

when i worked on a contract in wolverhampton i had to write a warning notice out for each defect/ncs as it was requested. The most i wrote out was 7 in one property..... 🙁

i do think it does look professional to issue good paperwork. It can be good protection if there is an issue in the future and you have a paper trail to show what you did while you was there.

i dont disagree with anything you say but the OP asked what he needed to do, and you dont need to write NCS's anywhere, although i do as you do through choice, and the wolverhampton requirement would be a contract requirement over and above the mandatory requirement