RIDDOR....... sooo sadddd

[Old Account]

Hi lads

I would need your help for a second as I would like to report a job I have seen today.

Is there any email address to HSE as I would like to attach my picture.

See below

Kind regards,

Ron

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Good training subject

What makes it unsafe and why

Also what's reportable about it (eg riddor)

 

[rpm]

Nowt wrong with an open fireplace.

 

[Old Account]

Nowt wrong with an open fireplace.

I don’t think it’s very safe when it back ups into the living room neither proper installed. For me it’s shocking and putting his family at risk.

 

[Old Account]

Good training subject

What makes it unsafe and why

Also what's reportable about it (eg riddor)

Do you think it’s correct when fumes backing up into the room?
Is that not shocking for you ?
I always was under the impression you take th8ngs very serious
If I am wrong that’s ok but have reported it just to be on the safe side.

What about spillage everywhere ?

 

[Old Account]

It hasn’t got any hearth which is non combustible, what about flue ? Haven’t seen any flue liner either and I was sure you will require a flue liner. What about the safety surrounding what happens when the coal is coming out onto wooden floor?

 

[SimonG]

You don't need a liner as long as the chimney is sound.

Looks like a work in progress.

 

[jtsplumbing]

Understand what you mean, Report it if you feel strongly about it, But I doubt HSE will do anything, Looks like its been like this for quite some time

 

[Old Account]

You don't need a liner as long as the chimney is sound.

Looks like a work in progress.

that’s actually true. But how do I know it’s sound? If he uses a fire like this I wouldn’t trust his words. However, for me it ain’t right based on spillage etc

 

[jtsplumbing]

that’s actually true. But how do I know it’s sound? If he uses a fire like this I wouldn’t trust his words. However, for me it ain’t right based on spillage etc

I've reported things in the past HSE not interested just wanted to know the in & outs of a cats Arse , So to be honest I cant be bothered anymore !!

 

[Old Account]

I've reported things in the past HSE not interested just wanted to know the in & outs of a cats Arse , So to be honest I cant be bothered anymore !!

That’s not correct. If they run such a company they should undertake some actions. However, I wanted to back up myself and that’s what I did.

Thanks a lot to all of you for your input

 

[ShaunCorbs]

That’s not correct. If they run such a company they should undertake some actions. However, I wanted to back up myself and that’s what I did.

Thanks a lot to all of you for your input

they can only do something if a company has done something

if the customer has done it themselves they dont care

 

[townfanjon]

That looks like its been there for years, has it just been installed ?

 

[Old Account]

That looks like its been there for years, has it just been installed ?

I can’t tell you that. I assume it’s like this for some time. However, it’s not safe to use and that’s for me the priority.

 

[Harvest Fields]

But how do you know that it is not safe Ron?

 

[rpm]

Nowt wrong with an open fireplace.

That was a joke Ron
Whoosh!

 

[townfanjon]

I can’t tell you that. I assume it’s like this for some time. However, it’s not safe to use and that’s for me the priority.

It looks like a farmers DIY job lol.

 

[jtsplumbing]

they can only do something if a company has done something

if the customer has done it themselves they dont care

Its my understanding that HSE like to collect information and build up a file on the offending person Don't think much gets done for a one off reports, unless something serious has happened , Explosion etc.

 

[jtsplumbing]

I can’t tell you that. I assume it’s like this for some time. However, it’s not safe to use and that’s for me the priority.

Yes, and they will ask if your competent to judge Solid fuel installations, i.e. are you qualified ?

 

[Best]

There can’t be decent chimney draw on that fire with the wide and unclosed opening. Fumes at times must be terrible in that room.
The hearth base seems to be concrete, so probably as safe as if a proper hearth was in place.
Definitely a laid back homeowner there!

 

[Old Account]

That was a joke Ron
Whoosh!

I got your joke

 

[Old Account]

Yes, and they will ask if your competent to judge Solid fuel installations, i.e. are you qualified ?

I am not. And I do not need to be qualified to tell that this is a dangerous install / or whatever you call it. You can see it has spillage marks all over the place. Even if they asked I’d be very frank that i am not holding license but still able to judge.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I am not. And I do not need to be qualified to tell that this is a dangerous install / or whatever you call it. You can see it has spillage marks all over the place. Even if they asked I’d be very frank that i am not holding license but still able to judge.

wrong

how do you know its spilling fyi coal is a dirty fuel

 

[Old Account]

But how do you know that it is not safe Ron?

Spillage would be my first point. If you’d entered the property you would have smelled wrong burning or something like backing up into the room. It was very intense smell of wrong burned fuel. However, even though I am a bit more sensitive than others but never seen something like this before.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

thats the first time ive know anyone be able to smell spillage

my suggestion to you leave it alone dont do anything

 

[Best]

The draw from the chimney will have a route to take air direct from room and won’t draw the fire always properly, - like when a door is opened for example.
So definitely will be fumes at times, but tbh that is normal with any properly installed open fire. Also normal to get some sooting.

 

[Old Account]

thats the first time ive know anyone be able to smell spillage

my suggestion to you leave it alone dont do anything

Have I ever mentioned that I can smell spillage? I said that I entered the property and it smelled of wrong burning fuel like black soot.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

thats a coal fire for you

 

[Old Account]

wrong

how do you know its spilling fyi coal is a dirty fuel

How do I know, as soon as you stand in from your of it and it backs up into the property ...

 

[Old Account]

thats a coal fire for you

You are the men as usual mr smart .....

 

[jtsplumbing]

Well depending on how long you have been doing this job, you could see more and worse, I've seen things that would make your hair go white, B4 CORGI and the need to report everything, and still come across some very bad sights ,

 

[Old Account]

Well depending on how long you have been doing this job, you could see more and worse, I've seen things that would make your hair go white, B4 CORGI and the need to report everything, and still come across some very bad sights ,

That’s true. As I said for me it was the first time I ever came across this sort of diy fire. I trust your experience as a qualified gsr... I believe you’ve seen a lot of bad things in your career and perhaps still

 

[Best]

I now ignore a lot of things I see.
Unless I am asked to touch the offending work, or there is high risk, like live wires, or flue gases danger, then most I do is just advise the customer to have the work brought up to a safer standard.
You can't force a person to have things made safe, except on gas work, as far as I know

 

[Harvest Fields]

I now ignore a lot of things I see.
Unless I am asked to touch the offending work, or there is high risk, like live wires, or flue gases danger, then most I do is just advise the customer to have the work brought up to a safer standard.
You can't force a person to have things made safe, except on gas work, as far as I know

Did you see that Best? Did I see what Harvest? Exactly Best.

 

[Best]

Did you see that Best? Did I see what Harvest? Exactly Best.

Mr Fawlty, - I noo notthing!

 

[Last Plumber]

For what it's worth Matchless, you did the right thing in RIDDOR reporting it if that's what you did. If someone carked it due to CO poisoning or a house fire and you knew about it you would never forgive yourself.

The HSE will more than likely do nothing to be honest but at least you can say "I told you so", if something does come of it, eh?
At least you passed the buck.

 

[Old Account]

For what it's worth Matchless, you did the right thing in RIDDOR reporting it if that's what you did. If someone carked it due to CO poisoning or a house fire and you knew about it you would never forgive yourself.

The HSE will more than likely do nothing to be honest but at least you can say "I told you so", if something does come of it, eh?
At least you passed the buck.

Thanks for the warming words, much appreciated. Yes indeed, i have reported it. I did not like the fact how it was installed. Even though Id Be wrong or over sensitive I cared about the safety my customer.

 

[Last Plumber]

Thanks for the warming words, much appreciated. Yes indeed, i have reported it. I did not like the fact how it was installed. Even though Id Be wrong or over sensitive I cared about the safety my customer.

I wouldn't say you were wrong.
We all know that the products of combustion from fossil fuels or wood Contain CO and CO2. Both are dangerous. If they don't make it up the flue for any reason, there could easily be an injury or fatality.
In this day and age were blame is prevalent it is always best to err on the side of caution.

 

[Best]

Found this, I see this sort of thing often but not my work and not my problem. Customer has been advised, that’s all.

 

[Harvest Fields]

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What a mess that is. Is it a working gas appliance attached to it?

 

[Best]

What a mess that is. Is it a working gas appliance attached to it?

Worse, in some ways! It has an oil boiler attached to it which is an old very inefficient boiler, so gases are well in excess of 300 degrees and you will notice the terminal end piece has come off. (Gases supposed to go out side vents on that flue)
That oil tank is getting some heat!
Regs on new work are oil tanks 1.8m at least from any terminal