Sorry.....more Part P/electrical advice required.

[armyash]

Hi everyone,

I'm looking at doing Part P course and 17th edition either end of March or later in the year. I have been on the electrical forum for advice, to be honest it's just confused me more.

Do I need Part P/17th edition to doing electrical work that is required in plumbing?

If not what exactly do I need? Ideally someone reading this does the sparky side of things on their own jobs and can tell me exactly what qualifications they have.


I have been told I also need to register with a scheme provider to be able to sign off/cert my own work, If anyone can elaborate on this or just give me a dummies guide it would be appreciated.

How about testing and inspections certificate?

The thing is I don't want to waste money on qualifications unless they are absolutely neccessary!

Sorry if this post seems a little vague or i'm waffling i'm just being told different things by different people.



As wirepuller says

To self certify you will need to register with a scheme provider who normally ask for Part p, 17th Edition and a testing and inspections cert. Check with anyone of them (NICEIC, NAPIT ........etc) as to what qualifications they require

Another way is, if the work has to be notified to Building Control then tell before the job starts and pay the fee for them to inspect and register your work.

Or find a friendly spark


(the above was a post from someone on the sparky forum)

 

[PowerFlusher2]

Is that 4 me or 'dancinplumba'?

 

[dancinplumba]

How can a non-gsr spark turn on a boiler?
If he did and there was an incident, who exactly would end up in the dock??

he doesnt need to tun it on all hehas to do is test to connections in boiler

 

[dancinplumba]

I assume that when you say 'your' sparks you are talking about an electrician who is employed by your good self and therefore does what he does under cover of your Gas Safe Registration - a perfectly normal situation - but am I not right in saying that even in those circumstances it is you, not he, who actually signs the appliance off as gas safe?

Any qualified 'sparks' (or any DIYer for that matter) can, of course, connect up any cables to anything - but if he is NOT GSR nor employed by a GSR he cannot legally test any appliance which uses gas. Just had a look online and its a GBP5,000.00p fine for somebody not qualified and registered to do that.

no employed by customer,

 

[dancinplumba]

I assume that when you say 'your' sparks you are talking about an electrician who is employed by your good self and therefore does what he does under cover of your Gas Safe Registration - a perfectly normal situation - but am I not right in saying that even in those circumstances it is you, not he, who actually signs the appliance off as gas safe?

Any qualified 'sparks' (or any DIYer for that matter) can, of course, connect up any cables to anything - but if he is NOT GSR nor employed by a GSR he cannot legally test any appliance which uses gas. Just had a look online and its a GBP5,000.00p fine for somebody not qualified and registered to do that.

he doesnt, he's not gsr

 

[PowerFlusher2]

disagree there, its the sparks job, he has to test to the boiler
imho

so we do agree, then?

(now going to pour myself a large one before I go to bed)

 

[dancinplumba]

so we do agree, then?

(now going to pour myself a large one before I go to bed)

only if you agree to connect my boiler up lol ?
enjoy

 

[armyash]

I think i'm even more confused now! lol

 

[dancinplumba]

I think i'm even more confused now! lol

its a sparks or part 'p' registererd persons responsibility to provide a safe electrical supply to boiler, not just to fused spur, and to any 230v controls and to certify it, by certification and sometimes by notification
imho

 

[REDSAW]

same as you ash,
talking to the boss this aft' thinking where to invest the next £1m....
i have 2 years electrical installation on my c.v. and i am thinking of getting a cert for it for prosperity.lol.

if i can;;;;
can i change an electric shower of the same output?.
can i wire up my boilers to a spur pulled of a socket?.
can i wire a y plan?.
can i change repair and rewire an element?.

if the answer is yes to above without the need of electric certs.........i will spend me money on l.p.g instead.

 

[dancinplumba]

doesnt take much
can you ?

 

[AWheating]

can i change an electric shower of the same output?.
i think any work carried out in a bathroom needs an electrical cert, even if your just swapping like for like.
can i wire up my boilers to a spur pulled of a socket?.
you can wire a boiler to an exsisting fuse spur. If you are altering the fixed wiring then it will require a new electrical cert.
can i wire a y plan?.
This will require a electricla cert.
can i change repair and rewire an element?.
Yes, aslong as your not altering the exsisting fixed wiring circuit.


from what i can remember from the regs (been a while) you can change like for like (socket for a socket) without any problems. If you need to alter the fixed wiring of any circuit then you will need to test and cert. If you need to add a new circuit you need to test and cert. Any work in bathrooms and kitchens needs to be be tested and certed.

 

[dancinplumba]

can i change an electric shower of the same output?.
i think any work carried out in a bathroom needs an electrical cert, even if your just swapping like for like.
can i wire up my boilers to a spur pulled of a socket?.
you can wire a boiler to an exsisting fuse spur. If you are altering the fixed wiring then it will require a new electrical cert.
can i wire a y plan?.
This will require a electricla cert.
can i change repair and rewire an element?.
Yes, aslong as your not altering the exsisting fixed wiring circuit.


from what i can remember from the regs (been a while) you can change like for like (socket for a socket) without any problems. If you need to alter the fixed wiring of any circuit then you will need to test and cert. If you need to add a new circuit you need to test and cert. Any work in bathrooms and kitchens needs to be be tested and certed.

agree, they are 'special locations' therefore if connecting boiler in kitchen to fused spur then its notifiable and you need a cert to comply with part 'p'
any work outside 'specail locations' needs minor works' certificate
imo

 

[armyash]

argh! think i'll get the rest of the plumbing qualifications that i have been advised to do. Will get electrical side of things in the future when I know exactly what's what.

More plumbing for me this weekend, loving it!