Plumbing Vacancy

[village idiot]

Well done Keiran.

I hope you get someone decent for the position. You should have plenty of offers. It's just a question of choosing the ''right one''.


Good luck and hope you and your company continue to expand.

 

[PlumbersMate]

Not my place to say but £8 per hour seems very low for a plumber IMO

 

[village idiot]

well, he did say ''it is a competitive hourly rate for the area''. so we have to take the area into consideration

 

[tamz]

It is low. 3rd year apprentice rate.
It is good of him to post it up i'm sure someone will be glad of it.

 

[basildog]

Times really have changed I could not get a labourer for that 10 years ago and half of them wanted a van thrown in too ?
A van alone was 6 k a year back then .
I really do pity the young to be honest
It is people like my father who has been on a 50k a year NHS pension who eat up all the money not all this bash the youngsters they are going to be the poorest pensioners ever !

 

[hammers4spanner]

I enquired about a plumbing job for commercial sector other day advert never said rates so phoned up £18,000 K per annum .
Honestly couldnt believe it plumbing is not the job it use to be

 

[GasmanxxxR1]

£8?

Would have thought a tradesman would deserve more

 

[basildog]

I enquired about a plumbing job for commercial sector other day advert never said rates so phoned up £18,000 K per annum .
Honestly couldnt believe it plumbing is not the job it use to be

It is everywhere my other half is bus / coach driver and round here £7.50 an hour ?
70 kids on board ?
All polish now and doing 15 or 16 hour days ?
No tachos on a service bus so they get away with it !

 

[Walis]

But this is position for plumber and tiler. Maybe it is 8 pound for plumbing and 8 pound for tiling so together 16 per hour ?🙂)

 

[Ray Stafford]

The market will sort it out. If Keiran finds a good tradesman happy to take on those terms and conditions, then he has pitched it right.

If not, he may have to up the ante.

Area has a big effect, and he will know his local area better than anyone else.

good luck to you Keiran - nice to see someone expanding. 🙂

 

[cr0ft]

Hi all. I've been reviewing other ads on the Job Centre websites for my area for quite a while now. £8 is around the going rate unfortunately, circa £16k per annum for a domestic plumber.

£64 a day doesn't sound much, but add on 30% to cover on costs for employing someone and you are up to £83.20p. Vans aren't cheap to run either and I will need a second van to employ someone else now plus another set of tools and stock. Basically with the van I reckon it will cost me around £120 per day to employ someone. Clearly I want to make a decent cut on that too if I am going through all the hassle of investing my cash in a 2nd van, stock and tools!

£8/hr is a wage that I can pay on a consistent basis, I would much rather offer that than take someone on for £10-£12/hr and have to sack them because I can't afford them down the line.

The average wage in Lincolnshire is £15k per year sadly, it's not a particularly affluent county.

Around here I can easily get a labourer for minimum wage and there are no shortage of them. We all know that plumbing wages are hugely dependant on the area you are in which is why so many of us go to London for work.

Sadly there is no shortage of plumbers as we all know and wages seem to reflect that.

PS - I should add that gas engineers get much better wages here, around £13 per hour.

 

[hammers4spanner]

makes you wonder tho why so many want to plumb

 

[cr0ft]

The market will sort it out. If Keiran finds a good tradesman happy to take on those terms and conditions, then he has pitched it right.

If not, he may have to up the ante.

Area has a big effect, and he will know his local area better than anyone else.

good luck to you Keiran - nice to see someone expanding. 🙂

Cheers Ray. Not even sure if there is anyone else from Lincolnshire on here so will be advertising elsewhere too!

 

[dave1]

Me and my mate (sparks) had a conversation the other day. If you could start put again would you have chosen a trade again. Me prob not. Him no.

 

[basildog]

Hi all. I've been reviewing other ads on the Job Centre websites for my area for quite a while now. £8 is around the going rate unfortunately, circa £16k per annum for a domestic plumber.

£64 a day doesn't sound much, but add on 30% to cover on costs for employing someone and you are up to £83.20p. Vans aren't cheap to run either and I will need a second van to employ someone else now plus another set of tools and stock. Basically with the van I reckon it will cost me around £120 per day to employ someone. Clearly I want to make a decent cut on that too if I am going through all the hassle of investing my cash in a 2nd van, stock and tools!

£8/hr is a wage that I can pay on a consistent basis, I would much rather offer that than take someone on for £10-£12/hr and have to sack them because I can't afford them down the line.

The average wage in Lincolnshire is £15k per year sadly, it's not a particularly affluent county.

Around here I can easily get a labourer for minimum wage and there are no shortage of them. We all know that plumbing wages are hugely dependant on the area you are in which is why so many of us go to London for work.

Sadly there is no shortage of plumbers as we all know and wages seem to reflect that.

Sadly all the reasons you give are why I got out of the building firm 10 years ago as it became impossible to make a proffit on the workers wages so you had to rely on margins on subbies and materials !
I once had an Architect who said 2 and a half percent was a reasonable mark up ?
Told him my banking charges would not be covered at that !
Still trying to make my mind up what to do as not sure either building or plumbing is what I want and both can be very bad for your health !
Think that hippy van is looking better by the day !

 

[hammers4spanner]

Was speaking to a sparks other day who has several employees and if an employer supplies van/fuel/holiday/power tools then £35 per hour gives coverage based on 40 hour week

 

[basildog]

Was speaking to a sparks other day who has several employees and if an employer supplies van/fuel/holiday/power tools then £35 per hour gives coverage based on 40 hour week

Not sure what you mean ?
I was talking to an alarm company boss and he could not believe 10 years ago as builders we charged between £18 and £25 an hour as back then they were £48.00 an hour and he said it was a struggle !
Having said that I just built an extension at mates rates and was still told I was too expensive at £120 a day !
World has changed a lot can I get off ?

 

[cr0ft]

Well my view on it all is that £8/hr is a decent wage around Lincolnshire tbh. It gives me a chance to expand my business and help out customers I am turning away daily at the moment. It gives someone a chance at a couple of extra days work a week I guess. If I can make £50 a day out of employing someone and investing all that money in a van etc I will be quite happy. I don't think that is too much cash to make out of an employee to be honest.

 

[tamz]

Maybe £8/hr is what is being advertised in job centres but no decent plumber would touch them and if they did it is in desperation and they are off at the drop of a hat.
I hope you realise the standard of plumber you will be targeting at that rate.

I just checked back my books and 1997 was the last time i paid £8.12/hr plus industry pension contributions of 5.5% of the gross (effectively another 45p/hr).

 

[REDSAW]

you want to move 20mile to the left kieran, £12 ph here, i think lincs hold all the euro's flock that runs the county down.

close the gate on your way in though.lol

 

[cr0ft]

Why would you pay £12 ph to employ someone if you can only charge them out at £200 a day and have to buy tools/van? Makes no sense to me!

 

[basildog]

Why would you pay £12 ph to employ someone if you can only charge them out at £200 a day and have to buy tools/van? Makes no sense to me!

Still a profit in it at that ?
You also have your margin on materials ?

 

[REDSAW]

Why would you pay £12 ph to employ someone if you can only charge them out at £200 a day and have to buy tools/van? Makes no sense to me!

thats the going employed rate here!.

 

[GasmanxxxR1]

Well my view on it all is that £8/hr is a decent wage around Lincolnshire tbh. It gives me a chance to expand my business and help out customers I am turning away daily at the moment. It gives someone a chance at a couple of extra days work a week I guess. If I can make £50 a day out of employing someone and investing all that money in a van etc I will be quite happy. I don't think that is too much cash to make out of an employee to be honest.

Fair play to you mate, glad to hear your success.

Hope it works out for you

 

[TBServices]

Why would you buy a van and tools to have someone work 16hrs per week?

I wouldn't get out of bed for £8 an hour, and anyone who works for that is a mug. You'll be sacking lads faster than you can find them the standard you'll get.

I'd rather deliver pizzas.

 

[Killy Bing]

Why would you buy a van and tools to have someone work 16hrs per week?

I wouldn't get out of bed for £8 an hour, and anyone who works for that is a mug. You'll be sacking lads faster than you can find them the standard you'll get.

I'd rather deliver pizzas.

.............. Awkward

glase my handle on?

 

[TBServices]

Que? I'm only being honest.

£8 ph wouldn't be so bad with a contracted 40hr week, but not knowing whether you're bringing home £320 or £120 each week isn't fair.

 

[Killy Bing]

Tis a shame tb but when you start out you can't complain.
The two guys i do heating work for that works out at just £8phr but thats with my own tools and van
so even less than that at the end of the day!
it tends to be regular but not always so.

i haven't been with them one day this week and tomorrow i won't be either.
luckily I've had a few little silly jobs thats earned me enough money this week.

i would love to be on for more but I'm simply not fast enough to warrant that.

As for delivering pizzas.....thats even less! Trust me

kieren could happily turn work away and carry on as he is.

he's offering an opportunity as best he can.
kudos to him!

 

[REDSAW]

not taking the peas or anything, just a thought!!!!!

can i offer a job to someone for say..£10ph defender van, tools etc supplied min 16 hrs per week so i can stay in bed with my mobile, pen and paper for £30ph less tax?

just an idea!

 

[TBServices]

It's the state of things now. Ill stick with being my own man. It's hard work but the money is good. Dunno why everyone complains. If people won't pay your rates, you won't work for them, it's no great loss NOT working for tight gits. Work smarter, not harder.

My missus makes more than its possible to earn a full week on £8ph, working 3 days, and she's a trainee dental nurse. It's disgusting.

 

[tomplumb83]

£8.00 an hour is definitely not the going rate in this area. Unless things have changed from ten years ago. That's not to say you won't be able to get somebody decent, you never know. I'm from Grimsby which arguably has far less money floating about than Lincoln but I was paid nearly £12 as an apprentice plumber on the refinery. I left there in 2003 to work on new builds for a small local plumbing company. I was basically passing tools / helping out and even then I was on around £7.90 as an improver. This was JIB rates in 2003?? I was mortified when my boss told me I'd be on less than a tenner an hour!! But he paid me through my level 3 and I learnt abit so all wasn't lost. As a side note, when I was an 18 yo apprentice I was paid double time at weekends! I was on nearly £24 an hour for doing basically nothing. I think my tool box consisted of some medium Crescent grips and some large Crescent grips! How times have changed! I'm lucky to get that now. I know people in Lincs that will work for £80 a day so you may get somebody but I'd expect them to be called Jerzy or Tomasz without any formal qualifications

 

[pipefitter]

Wow ,I find this post incredible that a tradesman should be expected to work for £8 p/h ,I don't see that you could live on that sort of money.
Makes me laugh that employers expect top quality work ,lots of responsibility ,people skills all for £8 p/h .
Running a small job ,managing plasterer/sparks /customer/boss
Is it really that bad out there that people are doing this ?

 

[cr0ft]

Guys. As much as I like many of you I'm really amazed at how unprofessional some of you are acting. I've placed a job advert and a good chunk of you are basically belittling the wage being offered. If you don't like the wage, don't apply, it's that simple.

I really don't care tbh if people feel the wage is low, just don't apply for the job! There are currently job vacancies with large companies for qualified electricians AND plumbers at £20k pa (£10 per hour) so I am happy it is pitched right for our area.

To come on here spouting off when I'm genuinly trying to offer a job opportunity that will shortly be full time is pretty rude imo.

If anyone else thinks £12/ph is the going rate and they are disgusted with my offer then please place your own job advert and put your money where your mouth is. Otherwise, please let's discuss how much plumbers should earn off of my job ad if that's ok.

 

[Walis]

but I'd expect them to be called Jerzy or Tomasz

I am one of them and I would not work for £8/ph 🙂)

 

[tomplumb83]

Haha No disrespect to Walis, Jerzy or Tomasz intended. I'm sure all 3 of you carry out top notch work. Ma przyjemny dzień!