Nelson Mandela R.I.P

[Ermintrude]

I'm waiting for Cameron's speach.... In 1983 he was part of a group of Tory public school boys protesting so that Mandela would be hung!!! Bet he spouts some sh1te tomorrow!!

 

[Ray Stafford]

I have listened to more than one S Afrfican white who has said that he was a terrorist and i have also listened to reports from all the usual sources telling how he suffered for the good of the people...........i have no view on the matter as i have no real experience of the man, but it is easy to get carried away with the romance of a story ...........if that story is accurate. He did bring hope to so many in a time of unrest so i think he has earned the right to rest in peace.

The South African story is a complicated one, and certainly not as "black and white" - forgive the appalling pun - as many would have you believe.

I spent some time out there - it seems like a lifetime ago, but at one point we had the export licence for John Guest in Southern Africa - SA, Namibia, Zimbabwe and Angola.

I took the trouble to read all the history - not just the recent stuff, but right back. Its not a simple story, and rewards some patient study. And lets not forget, he was awarded the Nobel peace prize JOINTLY with F W de Klerk.

It takes two to make peace.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

I am sorry Ray but peace can NOT be made !!!

Peace can only be given by the more powerful side to the weaker one ......

i is never been in SA , but I is keeping an eye of what is going on around the world , this days as I am only 34

 

[Ray Stafford]

I am sorry Ray but peace can NOT be made !!!

Peace can can be given by the more powerful side to the wheeler one ......

i is never been in SA , but I is keeping an eye of what is going on around the world , this days as I am only 34

I dunno Stan. Its a bit late at night for such deep stuff, but the situation in SA was asymmetric.

The whites had all the money and most of the guns.
The blacks had the moral high ground, the international support and the population numbers. And some of the guns.

I think NM and FWdeK did pretty well under the circumstances. Have a read of NM's biography - "A long walk to freedom". Its anything but one-sided - a tribute to the man's intellectual strength.

Ray

 

[SafeGasInstall]

Some one just mention MK on Facebook ! Does it ring the bell Ray ?

 

[Ray Stafford]

Some one just mention MK on Facebook ! Does it ring the bell Ray ?

Sure - if you mean Umkhonto we Sizwe - spear of the nation. Abbreviated to MK.

It was the armed wing of the ANC in the 60s and 70s.

 

[Ray Stafford]

It was the armed wing of the ANC in the 60s and 70s.

And longer apparently. Have just caught up - google is a wonderful thing.

 

[hammers4spanner]

I'm waiting for Cameron's speach.... In 1983 he was part of a group of Tory public school boys protesting so that Mandela would be hung!!! Bet he spouts some sh1te tomorrow!!

dont he always spout sheee ite

 

[Kev the gas]

My son just told me Paris Hilton Tweeted a picture of Martin Luther King and a " I believe ......""

She removed the Tweet 5 mins later:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Gray0689]

The South African story is a complicated one, and certainly not as "black and white" - forgive the appalling pun - as many would have you believe.

I spent some time out there - it seems like a lifetime ago, but at one point we had the export licence for John Guest in Southern Africa - SA, Namibia, Zimbabwe and Angola.

I took the trouble to read all the history - not just the recent stuff, but right back. Its not a simple story, and rewards some patient study. And lets not forget, he was awarded the Nobel peace prize JOINTLY with F W de Klerk.

It takes two to make peace.

He did seem a good man
Yes he was a terrorist but the repression in South Africa was terrible so someone had to stand
On the other hand his wife was an evil pig

 

[SafeGasInstall]

osama bin laden - Google Search

isnt this man with similar history what he was one of the best USA secret agent , and then it was terrorist ......

 

[Gray0689]

osama bin laden - Google Search

isnt this man with similar history what he was one of the best USA secret agent , and then it was terrorist ......

Not a secret agent but a member of one of the richest family's in the world
Trained by covert USA & U.K. agency's and an out and out fanatic
This sort of thing keeps biting the USA and uk in bum they arm them train then then they turn on them

 

[clarky101]

Gerry Adams, Martin mcGuiness, freedom fighters or terrorists..

 

[Gray0689]

Gerry Adams, Martin mcGuiness, freedom fighters or terrorists..

Terrorist and pure scum

 

[Dotty]

Terrorist and pure scum

And fortunately recent findings means it looks like all their hens are coming home to roost!

You read about Breen and Buchanon? The collusion between the Gardai and the IRA?

 

[bigman]

Northern Ireland will never have true peace, the loyalist terrorists colluded with the army and the ruc to kill and maim, now we find out the nationalists colluded with the Gardai to kill and maim.The sad thing is the difference is their religous beliefs which are pretty much the same thing to most outsiders

 

[TBServices]

This thread isn't about terrorism. It's about paying respect to a great man IMHO.

 

[jefaz]

He's still a political terrorist. Same as Gerry Adams and have the go ahead/masterminded the killing if innocent people. No matter what else he did those people didn't deserve to die!!
Jusy my opinion.

 

[lame plumber]

for what he achieved in a lifetime, a lot of people should be very grateful. Comparing him to Adams and their motley crew is an insult to someone like Mandella, so would it be possible to leave that out of it now please

 

[SafeGasInstall]

And please Tom explain why he is what you say ?