Commercial gas courses

[Jay Jay]

Hi new to fourm ,just going to book up my commercial acs and wanted to see best place to get trained,a well known boiler manufacture is doing a good deal and it's 5days which I'm impressed with,I did say I had limited knowledge in commercial but all domestic acs,I'm on the south coast but the training centres down here i have had mixed feedback via installers,I done my domestic acs in London and was really good,i did think about going back to do commercial but the cost is alot more.I would rather travel and get taught properly rather then go to a centre that pushes you through or goes bust,that's why I'm thinking of the boiler manufactures course,as your trained by trainers who know and understand what needs to be explained,
Any thoughts would be great
Jay

 

[Masood]

Which manufacturer?

 

[Jay Jay]

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Which manufacturer?

hi Masood it's the one everyone loves or hates,I won't name them as it's just as easy to look up who does acs in domestic and commercial.I spoke to them and was impressed with what they had to say,but there are other training centres that offer 3day course for changeover but am worried that the training is rushed,due to limited experience

 

[Dotty]

Can't be arsed to look. Name them.

 

[Jay Jay]

Worcester

 

[wildcard]

Have you had any previous experience in the commercial gas sector?

 

[Dotty]

Admittedly their GB162 range (which is a rebadged Buderus) are pretty sexy but Worcester aren't really big hitters in the commercial market.

Be interesting to hear what their acs training is like.

You want to keep us informed Jay?

And when you need help wrapping your head round testing and purging, because you will need it, just give us a shout.

In the mean time build your post count up to 10 and apply for the gsr private forum. We can freely help you in there mate.

 

[EPH]

I'd be interested in how you get on with this as I'm thinking of doing the same.

Is is this the best route of going about it?

 

[Dotty]

Oh, I see! All these years of mocking me suddenly you all want on the bandwagon!

 

[Masood]

I've just done commercial changeover - 10 days training, 5 days assessments, and even that was pretty intense. Can't see how they can do it in 3 or 5 days without peoples' heads exploding!

 

[Masood]

Oh, I see! All these years of mocking me suddenly you all want on the bandwagon!

Well... We all know commercial is for those who want an easy life in their twilight years... I'm planning ahead! 😛

 

[EPH]

Oh, I see! All these years of mocking me suddenly you all want on the bandwagon!

I've seen the prices going in for boiler changes!!

Other than needing a LL header changing the boilers and small amounts of gas work, there's decent money in it.

Closed shop hop around here and fancy dipping my toe in.

 

[Dotty]

Well... We all know commercial is for those who want an easy life in their twilight years... I'm planning ahead! 😛

Twilight years? I'm only 47! Cheeky young whelp! I just make it look easy.

I've seen the prices going in for boiler changes!!

Other than needing a LL header changing the boilers and small amounts of gas work, there's decent money in it.

Closed shop hop around here and fancy dipping my toe in.

No one at all you can work with?

 

[Masood]

Twilight years? I'm only 47! Cheeky young whelp! I just make it look easy.

Same age as me! You've had a hard life, clearly! 😀

 

[Jay Jay]

I've just done commercial changeover - 10 days training, 5 days assessments, and even that was pretty intense. Can't see how they can do it in 3 or 5 days without peoples' heads exploding!

Hi guys thanks for all feedback,I service and do breakdowns on domestic/large domestic and getting involved in commercial so, need the next step,I do breakdowns everyday for the last 4years(still learning!) I spoke to Worcester and was upfront,it's only a change over/test&purge/ and boilers/water heaters. And they were fine,with background,I know if I'm not 100% there do extra training which I'm happy to pay of required,I just thought I'm only ever going to work on boilers and maybe pipework,just seemed better as a manufacture that will teach what's required at a really good price!

 

[EPH]

Twilight years? I'm only 47! Cheeky young whelp! I just make it look easy.



No one at all you can work with?

Not really as they'd know it would be taking work off them.

In my area there's a large company that do 80% of installation work and a smaller company that do the rest, other than the commercial lads employed by the University who do solely maintenance that's about it.

Ive done commercial installs before when working for another company, built my own up over the past 8 years and it's something I'd like get back into.

Just been and removed and isolated a rad in a small nursing home this morning. They asked if I could quote on replacing two of their five boilers which are all Potterton domestic boilers. Is this classed as s commercial installation because of the premesis or domestic because of the appliance?

 

[Dotty]

Be more because of the gas pipe size and volume. With domestic you can't touch anything 35mm / 0.035m3 and over.

 

[EPH]

Be more because of the gas pipe size and volume. With domestic you can't touch anything 35mm / 0.035m3 and over.

It's only 35mm now.

 

[Masood]

It's only 35mm now.

But what's the total installation volume?

 

[Dotty]

Don't matter, it's 35mm

 

[EPH]

Clarity chaps please before I'm in Installer Mag getting my marching orders! 🙂

 

[Dotty]

As always, I'm correct.... Because it's 35mm you can't work on it unfortunately.

Unless, of course, there is an ecv and test point on each lateral coming off the main carcass and that lateral is 28mm or 22mm.

 

[EPH]

My bad, just been back and it's 42mm with a reducer down to 28mm with lever then goes into the boiler room in 28.

 

[wildcard]

Don"t forget before you do dip your toe in the commercial sector,you will need risk asessement & h&s policies, plus a bigger public liability policy.I use a guy who keeps me up to date with everything i need & he"s not cheap.
Most of the places you end up working with commercial ie schools,prisons,offices,nursing homes you"ll also need security & CRB checks.
Something to bear in mind

 

[Ermintrude]

SMS are easy but the difficult but is getting paid. I spent 7 years checking spec and BOQ and doing measures knocking thousands off valuations with 1% difference in progress reports. It's not nice dealing with commercial surveyors and finance teams

 

[Masood]

Don't matter, it's 35mm

Far be it for me to question your wisdom John but IGE/UP/1B Ed. 2, which covers domestic gas states that:

Pipework of diameter less than OR EQUAL TO 35mm is allowed on a domestic ticket subject to TIV being less than or equal to 0.035m3, U16/G10 meter, OP ~ 21mbar and MOP being equal to or less than 2bar.

Fig.1 on page 3.

 

[Dotty]

I can never remember if it's one way or t'other. I do remember the 35 bit though.

Smart arse.........

 

[Masood]

I can never remember if it's one way or t'other. I do remember the 35 bit though.

Smart arse.........

Heh! Just spent 3 weeks having that drummed into my head LOL.

What I still can't get my head around is that you can have a TIV above the limit but if you split it into sections with ECVs and test points, you can work on each section on domestic...

 

[newcastle phill]

Handy to know masood but to be clear im thinking right....

Basically legs coming of a main commercial carcass that have an ecv and test points and where that particular leg in isolation (downstream of the ecv) conform to /1b can be worked on a domestic ticket..??

Sort of makes sense thinking about it logically if im understanding you right.

 

[snowhead]

What I still can't get my head around is that you can have a TIV above the limit but if you split it into sections with ECVs and test points, you can work on each section on domestic...

It's all about the volume of gas you are likely to purge.

 

[Dotty]

It's all about the volume of gas you are likely to purge.

As well as what gauge you're going to use as each type has a maximum ttd.