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Hi,

Can anyone help please? 105 HE converted to LPG

On start up the boiler basically goes through all tests and the flame lights but then goes out (tries three times) then flame failure light comes on flashing. The problem is the same on CH and DHW.

Checking the Fault Finding checks the ignition is sparking and the gas lights but the "Burner on" yellow/green neon does not light.

Then after 9 seconds (I have timed it) the flame goes out. After 3 tries the flame failure neon flashing lights and after reseting does the same each time.

The Fault Finder points this to "F" which says "no gas at burner", but the gas does light. I can hear the gas valve open and checked and there is 240volts across pins 2 & 4 on PCB A1 connector. it then suggests replacing the gas valve but the gas valve works as the burners light, I can also hear the modulator click in then out. I have also checked the regulator on the tank, no issue, 37mbar.

I rechecked all the pressures on the gas valve, which to be fair were pretty much spot on, as this looked more likely the issue (section G of fault finding) and bingo it worked for about 4 hours that evening but had the same fault again in the morning.

I suspect the modulator, across the pins of the modulator I get 2V which then begins to rise to around 12 volts whilst the burner lights up, the flame failes before it stabilises. The fault checker says minimum should be 1V but even with smaller nut fully out or in it does ont change.

I have checked the flames sensing electrode (although not sure how I am supposed to measure 1 micro amp) and the condensate is not blocked.

Anyone got any ideas as the only other cause seems to be the PCB.

The Fault Finding sequence seems a odd since the burner on neon does not light yet I do get flame.

Or anything else I need to check/measure?

Thanks in advance.

Michael
 
Are you sure the condense isn't blocked. I have the same boiler and this happened to me a yr ago. Disconnect the condense inside the boiler and try again. If it works then you have a blockage. Also have you tried resetting the boiler?
 
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Are you sure the condense isn't blocked. I have the same boiler and this happened to me a yr ago. Disconnect the condense inside the boiler and try again. If it works then you have a blockage. Also have you tried resetting the boiler?

Thanks but condensate is definitely not blocked, I emptied it completely, and tried it with the connectors removed.
 
If its just been fitted i would go for " Reverse polarity"

Hi, do you mean reverse polarity of the incoming mains? (it has worked and I have not changed this) or of the two wires on the modulator as I have tried this with no change.

Thanks
 
Sound like pcb failure, I've had this the where the electrode goes into the pcb loose or burnt out. As above if polarity reversed as in live and neutral swapped can cause this as swell. The fact that the neon doesn't light up when it fires, to me proves it's the pcb.
 
i would try a new flame sensing electrode and check the wire connecting to the pcb before you run out and buy a PCB. Also check the position of the f/s electrode make sure that it is within the flame.

possible faults; flame sensing electrode, sensing wire, reverse polarity or PCB

good luck
 
i would try a new flame sensing electrode and check the wire connecting to the pcb before you run out and buy a PCB. Also check the position of the f/s electrode make sure that it is within the flame.

possible faults; flame sensing electrode, sensing wire, reverse polarity or PCB

good luck

Thanks, I tried swapping the sensor electrode with the spark electrode as these seem to be the same thing as part number is the same, but no change. I will get a new electrode but looking like the PCB.
 

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