Big mess of pipes on block & beam floor

[Fizz.bosh]

Hi All, just joined,& my knowledge is very very sparse, so any advice is welcome.
Ground floor of extension is a block & beam floor. Our plumber doing the first fix persuaded us to go with plastic hep2o & he has done a crappy job leaving us with pipes clipped to the concrete floor which we need to insualte over & then screed. In places the pipes go over the top of each other up to a height of 60mm (we need 80mm inso) there are about 20-30 joints all over the place & we don't want to bury them in screed. So any ideas?
Thoughts already are build some ducting/boxinin over the pipes, fit inso around them & screed up to them& stick a plywood lid on them & lay wood flooring on top?
or rerun the bloody pipes? Really really don't want to do that. But considering alterations so they can run ontop of the inso in shallow ducting...
casuing me a right headache... Anyone got any bright ideas? 🙂

 

[PlumbBobBob]

can you post pics up so we can get an idea of how bad the pipework is?

 

[Fizz.bosh]

Will get some snaps uploaded when I'm back at my desktop...
you have to bear in mind we have re fixed all the pipes with screws because none of the clips stayed in the concrete, they all bent up & the pipes came loose :-/
Anyway. Snaps for you shortly.

 

[WaterTight]

Sounds like a rip out and replace job.

 

[SimonJohns]

Rip it out. Get it done properly.

You don't want to be screeding over a fitting. And if there's loads of fittings there's too much chance of a failure

 

[Howsie]

Yeehaa!!!

 

[secret squirrel]

I agree with everyone, do it right and do it once! everyone knows the truth and that is this WILL come back to bite you in the rear.....

 

[j0hnb0y]

never put fittings in screed. . i always screw 28mm nail clips and use 15mm pipe in flexi conduit. make all joints above screed.
and before you ask......... make it possible because its far easier to build a boxing or void than try find a burst fitting . ive got the t shirt

 

[Fizz.bosh]

Here's the photos. As I said, they have been tidies, fixed with screws & clips. Wish I'd taken phots how he'd left it!
So i know I don't want to bury them in screed. How about making ducting? Even if I semi-rip them out, & lay the insulation, would I have to use ducting to run them ontop of the inso before screeding?

Thanks all 🙂

 

[AWheating]

why could the pipework not be run in ceiling void and down the walls behind plaster? i would be unhappy about any fittings in the screed, the cold pipework will be very warm by the time it get to the taps also.

 

[Fizz.bosh]

I trusted the wrong plumber AWheating!! - lots of of good check-a-trade reviews, turns out he didn't know his bum from his hep20 elbow!!

 

[PlumbBobBob]

if you put a request in the looking for a plumber section giving your general location there maybe someone on here who is near to you if you require a new plumber. that could have been done better imho.

 

[dancinplumba]

You need a pro to come and sort this out,
Why dont you put post in plumber wanted thread

 

[dancinplumba]

Steves think alike lol

 

[j0hnb0y]

hep20 , the final nail in the coffin for what was a very skilled trade
RIP

 

[Gray0689]

Plastic is fine but should be run back to a manifold no joints in floor and pipes should be pipe in pipe or lagged

 

[j0hnb0y]

i could teach a chimp how to make those joints, same as all industry,,, gripfil and nail gun chippy and plaster board walls , i dont think it will be long before internal plastic gas pipes

 

[mark_mc]

there are cowboys and then there is this clown. i have never seen anything like this. its madness.
get it taken out and just start again get a real plumber in and then take it from there you will never see the money again.
manifolds and pipe and pipe to the radiators and domestic services cheap quick install and no joint under the floor, copper is nice but the quality of copper is not great at times and you pay thru the nose for it.

 

[MattWeth]

Oh dear that's nasty.

As others have said, you can't leave it like that - I'd repipe with everything under the screed running in flexi conduit with no fittings. Run everything back up to manifolds / valve chests in an accessible location.

The good thing is that you've asked the right questions at the right time - burying that lot in concrete would be a disaster waiting to happen. I'm sure a (different!) decent plumber will be able to sort it all out for you.

 

[glenno1]

im with AWheating on running it through the ceiling or is it a flat roof on the extension

 

[ecowarm]

The inept could soon get a good check a trade review, do a few made up jobs for mates etc

 

[Fizz.bosh]

Thanks for all the responses..
I am going to reluctantly swallow the extra expense & get it all re-ran in pipe in pipe back to a manifold so no joints are in the floor. I think this is a great suggestion, it will give me peace of mind.
The plumber I have lined up to do the work says get the walls ceilings dry-lined & skimmed and then the rads can be hung, all before the insulation and floor screed goes down. Does this sound right to you guys?

 

[ecowarm]

Yes sounds right to me

 

[Fizz.bosh]

Thanks,
It's just the chippie isn't too happy about putting in his door linings without a finished floor level. Ah well, can't please everyone!

 

[NickH]

Work out the finished level and mark it on the wall by the opening. The chippie can knock a couple of 4" nails into the bottom of the linings, leave them sticking out by however much the floor is coming up and that will hold the lining at the right hieght. When the floor is screeded the nails hold the bottom of the linings rock solid. Simples !