Calling Power Flushing Pro's

[smtplumbing]

Hey everybody, looking for the best way to powerflush, I have been not been doing this long tho i have do a good fair few, I use to hire the kamco cf30 form my pal but his van got broken into and it got stolen 🙁 So i have been hiring one at cost of £65 a weekend norstorm with heater.

This is great but it takes so much time either double dumpin or dump and refill, one of my pals have said buy a magnacleanse save alot of time and saves dumping meaning you can keep the chemical in the rads longer.
[h=1][/h]I will be buying a kamco cf90 but i need to make money to buy new toys. so i am still going to rent one out.

Just seeing what processes you guys do, i am might do be doing a 22 radiator job very shortly so hoping to buy shortly.

Also sealed systems chemicals how do you put your chems in eg inhibertor as i have been buy f1 express is there away i can put them in the radiators with using the express as these are mega dear T

Thanks Steven

 

[AlexGas]

Have a look here:

User guides for power flushing & descaling

Hope it helps.

 

[Mike Jackson]

I don't do power flushing any more. I've had too many fail to clean things out properly. I now fit a magnaclean on every boiler swap and use my magnacleanse on the system. If it's on an existing system I prefer a 2 visit solution. Ist visit fit magnaclean and add cleaner. 2nd visit magnacleanse system and add inhibitor. As well as getting the system cleaner it gives the customer continued protection and I can do it cheaper than a powerflush. I can also sell it as greener as I'm not flushing so much water down the drain, a good selling point if the customer is metered.

 

[Sanke]

Hi Mike
just looked at manga cleanse site & they say it works with power flush machine. Is this how you use it or do you just hooked it into heating circuit ?

 

[Mike Jackson]

There are two ways of using it connected to a powerflush machine or in conjunction with a magnaclean. Have a look at [DLMURL]http://www.adey.co.uk/userfiles/file/MagnaCleanseInstServLft.pdf[/DLMURL] this is how I do it.

 

[Sanke]

Looks really good. I suppose if a manga clean was not fitted you could also remove a small rad & use the flow/return ?

 

[smtplumbing]

yeha my pal use it with the powerflusher seems a good way to do it sanke

 

[Mike Jackson]

I've remove the return from the boiler and connected it between the return pipework and the boiler before. I made up a couple of adaptors to connect to 22mm pipework. The best use of these is to bridge out the boiler connections and carry out a preliminary flush before the new boiler goes in.

I won't guarantee the effectiveness of the flush if the customer won't stump up for the magnaclean, especially as the total cost is less than a powerflush.

 

[Sanke]

I agree Mike. Usually try to get magnaclean in if quoting to swop boiler. Costs for manga cleanse seem to range from £312 to over £400 either way cheaper than a power flush machine. Something well worth considering

 

[Mike Jackson]

Mine was £351 inc. VAT but make sure you're getting quoted for the complete kit and not just the filter.

 

[smtplumbing]

mike i had a look at that big rad job today 22 rads needs powerflushed, have the house is in 15 mm and about 7 rads are in plastic, so i take it you cannt connect a powerflusher on to copper to plastic pipe work, So this is where the magnacleanse could come in handly.

Start at the top chemical in heatin on close all rad valves rubberhammer/ vibrad hammerclose then do each radiator after that that should work ??

 

[WHPES]

Easiest way of putting inhibitor in a system is in a heated towel rail if present. Isolate, drain it and undo the nut on top and you can pour in there.

The only true method of a powerflush is to take the radiators off the wall one by one and swill out outside.

 

[PowerFlusher2]

'The only true method of a powerflush is to take the radiators off the wall one by one and swill out outside.'

Would agree with WHPES on that and always did that (retired a long time now though) on my own and families' systems but VERY time expensive. I always had problems also with stopping the black stuff dripping onto carpets/dustsheets etc. Has ANYBODY perfected an in-situ radiator drain down water catcher?

 

[WHPES]

Was at Plumbase yesterday and noticed they were promoting a gadget to attach onto an electric drll to vibrate a radiator to loosen deposits.

Do they think we're daft? Rubber mallets have worked well all these years!

 

[PlumbBobBob]

of course they think we are daft and made of money. didn't you know we're all on 50k.

 

[thereisawizza]

Yes, everyone used to swill the rads out but times have moved on, powerflushing does produce results and public liability claims for soild carpets have probably gone down! 🙂

That drill thing is well overpriced for what it it but does look more pro than wielding a mallet. The comparison between the radhammer and a mallet is probably the same as an axe and a sonicrafter; both get the job done but one is doing it better with less mess, effort and I'm guessing, noise! The last time I saw a guy hitting a rad with a mallet was in the musical Stomp!

 

[Mike Jackson]

of course they think we are daft and made of money. didn't you know we're all on 50k.

It was probably a vibraclean and they are a damned site better than a rubber mallet. I had a system with 12 rads, all at least 2m long, 2 were 3.6m long and 600 high. All of the rads had cold spots covering at least 3/4 of the radiator. It took me 4 hours but with the use of the vibraclean I managed to get every rad hot top to bottom all of the way across. I never would have managed that with a mallet.

It also works on blockages in pipework if you can locate them.

 

[flat pack]

It was probably a vibraclean and they are a damned site better than a rubber mallet. I had a system with 12 rads, all at least 2m long, 2 were 3.6m long and 600 high. All of the rads had cold spots covering at least 3/4 of the radiator. It took me 4 hours but with the use of the vibraclean I managed to get every rad hot top to bottom all of the way across. I never would have managed that with a mallet.

It also works on blockages in pipework if you can locate them.

yesterday i pick up a new magnacleanse kit from plumbase in colchester essex for £430 inc vat with a free magna micro.
looking foward to pitting it to work on tuesday.

 

[smtplumbing]

WHPES i was at halfrauds today and in the bargin bucket they had a flexy funnel for £2 so going to give that a try. bugger removing the radiators then boom black stuff on the carpet 🙁 how much where they selling the vibrrad tool just wondering

PowerFlusher2 I was at plumb centre and i get on with the boys well and they give me to try out yellow radiator trays as they are called they come with yellow clip on plastic that points down to the drain so the water does not go anywhere here is the link i found for you IsoRad Radiator Drain Tray - Full Kit - type - Innovative Plumbing Tools - INNOVATIVE TOOLS - Trade Counter Direct Ltd

steveb do you have female or male reps tho, female allways firt with me and i end up buying something rubbish lol

thereisawizza take it you had a few claims i managed to stop that by having mr Carpet shampooer with me

Flat pack with my discount at plumb centre i can get the following items at the following prices :-

VibraClean for £39.59 + vat
MagnaClean PowerFlushing Filter £261.86 + vat i need to check if this is the full kit
connection Kit for the magnacleanse £42 + vat

 

[smtplumbing]

o and flat pack stick some pictures up please

 

[flat pack]

o and flat pack stick some pictures up please

Hi SMT,
The latest kit
plus £19.82 get you a magna micro total worth about £70.00

in total £432.00

 

[FD Powerflow]

Without wanting to dampen your plans for world Magnacleanse domination you may want to read up on this website some of the feedback from installers who have trialled it. Theres a reason a powerflushing machine costs £700 and a magnacleanse costs £300.

 

[smtplumbing]

fd powerflow i am going to be using the powerflusher as well as the magnacleanse only use the magnacleanse if its plastic pipe

 

[mike_s]

magnacleanse are brilliant combined with a powerflush machine. If they are really bad we have still took the rads outside which I would say is the best way for the rads but most of the time a powerflush will suffice.

 

[flat pack]

last week i had magncleanse a 14 rad micro system open vent,
first it was a dry boiler, because the feed was partly block then,
Ihad a block system some where.
But about 6 hour later i had a glowing system,and two filled up magnets.

All this from a magncleanse

 

[FD Powerflow]

Difference is flat pack, you could have had the same results in around half that time with a powerflushing machine. Relying on a standard 15/50-15/60 just wont get the same results. The advertising standards agency recently upheld a series of complaints against Magnacleanse for claiming performance that equalled a powerflush which as it turns out is completely unproven.

 

[doitmyself]

The advertising standards agency recently upheld a series of complaints against Magnacleanse for claiming performance that equalled a powerflush which as it turns out is completely unproven.

They were not claiming that; see ASA Adjudication on ADEY Ltd - Advertising Standards Authority

They just had to change the wording of their adverts - very slightly!

 

[FD Powerflow]

Thats exactly what they were claiming, did you not read the article you posted?

"we considered the claim "more effective power-flushing results" had not been
substantiated. We concluded that the ad breached the Code."

 

[ecowarm]

The claim made by Adey is rubbish and I have tried my Magnacleanse with and without my Fernox P/F machine and the difference the P/F machine makes is amazining. Also the addition of the Magnacleanse to my P/F is amazing. They work very well together.
The set up above is the best and fastest way to flush a system that has a problem with sludge. If the system is mildly dirty then a flush through with mains water would do the job. With a proper powerfush machine it is the velosity of water and the option to change the flow direction at a pull of a lever to loosen stubben deposits that does the job properly. I have never used a vibraclean attachment and I personly think you are asking for trouble doing so. The above set up works best with the boiler on if posible. I use Kamco FX2 with the best results, I have tried Fernox and Sentilnel products and found that one best.
For an average property of 3-4 beds say 8-10 rads it is still a days work, I test and record the results for each rad as I go.
The other proplem that needs to be addressed when powerflushing is the reason the system go sludged up in first place and put it right, which is what I do. It could be the pump fitted in the wrong position or the feed and vent crossed over. This needs to be corrected or in 6 months the system will be a bad again.
I did a P/F at a property, the rads getting replaced ever 2-3 months because of pin holes. The customer said "powerfushing wont work, we've had it done before" I said well give it a go and we will find the reason why its happening as well.
So we started getting all the equipement out "what is all that stuff for? the previous plumber powerfushed without the need for all that stuff, all he had was an hose" she said
Any way job flushed and system changed to sealed with the adding of expansion vessel etc. 2 new rads fitted as pin holed. That was over 2 yrs ago and she has never had a problem since.
Sorry for the lenght of this post its turning into a mills and boon saga.

And I posted in the wrong thread! will repost in the correct thread

 

[Anton]

Photo no4, is that done with a downward movement or up and down rapidly?
Just askin :drunk:

 

[ecowarm]

Thats the loveslave, you want to borrow him

 

[Heating-eng]

Without wanting to dampen your plans for world Magnacleanse domination you may want to read up on this website some of the feedback from installers who have trialled it. Theres a reason a powerflushing machine costs £700 and a magnacleanse costs £300.

I have a magnacleanse and I am disappointed with it.. Lids leak ,connection are not good and also leak..
i would never buy another adey product ever again.

 

[SPC]

i flush with a magnaclense and 3 bar pump and use the vibraclean with chemicals on every system i do (for myself) without the new boiler in situ and fit some sort of boiler protection whether it be a TF1, Spirotech, Magnaclean etc and have never had a problem with debris / sludge in one of my systems.

I also use the Kamco CF90 when i do work for a specific company which equally works well but i find alot more time consuming. ive never used them together as of yet.

whether you use the magnacleanse / powerflush approach, as long as you get as much sludge out of the system as you possibly can and double check you leave a neutral system before inhibiting & also use some sort of boiler protection there shouldnt be any problems what so ever.

 

[SPC]

ahh yeh one thing that is annoying with them you dont get a spanner for the lids of the magnacleanse like you do the magnaclean and i too have had them leak on occasion but were plumbers! thats the nature of the beast!!

 

[Heating-eng]

ahh yeh one thing that is annoying with them you dont get a spanner for the lids of the magnacleanse like you do the magnaclean and i too have had them leak on occasion but were plumbers! thats the nature of the beast!!

Mine leaked on the second job, adey stuff is cheap rubbish.
I have stopped using mine. If anybody wants one let me know lol