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Couldnt agree with you more. No-one wants to back us up!
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Cumbria Handyma
I wonder how this crettin pays his window cleaner?
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Centralheatking
We dont do cheques or credit/debit card payments for small jobs under £100 just lolly
we always give a printed reciept. UNLESS its a regular - usually one of our oldies
who must not keep cash at home.
Mind you some of our long standing customers have the bank numbers and just pay in when were done
centralheatking
we always give a printed reciept. UNLESS its a regular - usually one of our oldies
who must not keep cash at home.
Mind you some of our long standing customers have the bank numbers and just pay in when were done
centralheatking
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sweep
sorry mr mp just paid sparky cash and my joiner 600 cash as i dont own a cheque book .perhaps i should pay him in green shied stamps or tescos vouchers next time as im sure no mp would try to defraud on their expenses sorry i mean tax,i dont give two hoots if thay declare it or not i got quote for job and i pays cash job done
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REDSAW
how dare you!!
you make me sick, mr!.....
i have never met you before, you phone me up and demand i come straight away, i then do you a favour and call between jobs then only charge you £50 when it should of been £60 as i was passing by anyway.
you then have the audacity to then offer me cash for the work i did for you, cash??. i say your attitude stinks and i think your ethos towards my services that i have supplied for you are totally immoral sir.
why is it always the same with you people at the inland revenue who think you can insult hard working people like myself by paying in cash because you cant be rsed as it takes more effort to write a cheque????eh!.
dont ever call my number again you hear?......
on the other hand..my customer base is slowly growing just like the economy and the cockups of the coalition government !...
you make me sick, mr!.....
i have never met you before, you phone me up and demand i come straight away, i then do you a favour and call between jobs then only charge you £50 when it should of been £60 as i was passing by anyway.
you then have the audacity to then offer me cash for the work i did for you, cash??. i say your attitude stinks and i think your ethos towards my services that i have supplied for you are totally immoral sir.
why is it always the same with you people at the inland revenue who think you can insult hard working people like myself by paying in cash because you cant be rsed as it takes more effort to write a cheque????eh!.
dont ever call my number again you hear?......
on the other hand..my customer base is slowly growing just like the economy and the cockups of the coalition government !...
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tamz
Showing your age here :lol:
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Bernie2
It would be okay if people where all treated equally. Perhaps people would not mind declaring everything they earned then. But when, the more you have seems to be the more you can get away with, those on less look at you and perhaps think "That's the way to do it!"
Its also possibly a ploy to divert attention from all the off shore tax avoidance schemes the big banks are offering and many big companies seem to be taking advantage of. A few years ago an investigation into "backhanders" by BA systems was stopped in the national interest. Seems if you do things on a big enough scale its okay.
And yes lets be honest the possibility that undeclared cash payments and income are probably rampant through out the economy. The only way we would find out is if everybody was forced to publicly declare all their income and have it published with all details of any bank accounts and all cash payments by anybody for anything of any kind over £5 recorded with a dated receipt.
I would imagine no chance of that, probably cost billions to check. Its simply a matter of "Are we prepared to be honest?" not "They do it why not me!" then putting in regulations to ensure people are honest as far as possible. The problem is a good accountant seems to get around anything. We should perhaps make it illegal to break the intent of the regulation rather than the written law of it. Somebody once asked a lawyer why the law was written in such a long rambling way. The lawyer said, we have to write it so nobody can say it is saying something else and try to get it to mean something else. I suppose he was saying "Tax avoidance" is quite legal but it is perhaps not what we meant to happen when we wrote the law.
Its also possibly a ploy to divert attention from all the off shore tax avoidance schemes the big banks are offering and many big companies seem to be taking advantage of. A few years ago an investigation into "backhanders" by BA systems was stopped in the national interest. Seems if you do things on a big enough scale its okay.
And yes lets be honest the possibility that undeclared cash payments and income are probably rampant through out the economy. The only way we would find out is if everybody was forced to publicly declare all their income and have it published with all details of any bank accounts and all cash payments by anybody for anything of any kind over £5 recorded with a dated receipt.
I would imagine no chance of that, probably cost billions to check. Its simply a matter of "Are we prepared to be honest?" not "They do it why not me!" then putting in regulations to ensure people are honest as far as possible. The problem is a good accountant seems to get around anything. We should perhaps make it illegal to break the intent of the regulation rather than the written law of it. Somebody once asked a lawyer why the law was written in such a long rambling way. The lawyer said, we have to write it so nobody can say it is saying something else and try to get it to mean something else. I suppose he was saying "Tax avoidance" is quite legal but it is perhaps not what we meant to happen when we wrote the law.
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Would you not think cash payment is less prevalent now? Gone are the days of 90% of the workforce getting a little brown envelope every friday and now it's once a month into the bank.
It's all just smoke and mirrors, let's get people talking about something other than the real issues.
It's all just smoke and mirrors, let's get people talking about something other than the real issues.
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Guest123
A Member of Parliament saying that cash payments are morally wrong is like the pot calling the kettle black. MP's have been taking immoral payments for years.
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petercj
All this stuff from MPs about morals and finance is total claptrap - the market place has no morals!
They castigate city bankers in public and yet support the system to the hilt that bankers make their massive bonuses in.
The platform that these MPs stand on has a foundation of hypocrisy.
The idea of having a Labour Party was to have a political body that represents working people, but that got flushed down the pan due to self-interested individuals using the Party as a platform for their own selfish ends.
It would be naive to deny that some small businesses do trade and benefit from cash in hand transactions, but the reality in many cases is that if they didn't they wouldn't survive. Many of the same small businesses are likely to be missing out somewhere on reducing their tax liability because they can't afford to pay high-flying accountants as the mega rich do, so at the end of the day, it all probably balances out financially, and morally.
The people running this country don't have a clue with to regard to pulling the nation out of the current financial slump. All they can do is to play the blame-game, and they are getting desperate now because even they can see that people are getting fed-up with hearing that everything is the fault of the last government, and that unemployment is the fault of the people who are unemployed, and that the way to save the country is to destroy public services and to privatise the NHS.
It seems now that they have become so desperate that some of the tts think it's a good idea to start attacking small businesses!
You really couldn't make it up, could you!
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gav-shipley
Who accepts cash nowadays?
Lets all take rubber cheques (the ones they were gonna phase out) - stupid comment by an idiot
Should we stop giving cash to the pizza delivery guy too?
Lets all take rubber cheques (the ones they were gonna phase out) - stupid comment by an idiot
Should we stop giving cash to the pizza delivery guy too?
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Guest123
Good point.
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petercj
When the Government brings in the 'Fat Tax', they're going to want a slice of your pizza too!
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mountainman
Breaking News
Baroness Warsi has been cleared of fiddling her expenses.
What a surprise.
If she was a plumber she would have been jailed.
Baroness Warsi has been cleared of fiddling her expenses.
What a surprise.
If she was a plumber she would have been jailed.
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Cumbria Handyma
Conservative Party co-chairman Baroness Warsi has been cleared of any serious breach of the ministerial code over an official trip to Pakistan.
The prime minister's adviser found she was guilty of only a "minor" breach for failing to declare she had been accompanied by her business partner.
The prime minister's adviser found she was guilty of only a "minor" breach for failing to declare she had been accompanied by her business partner.
Without sounding too controversial... whats the name for male cows again? ah yes.. bullocks! They are all up to their necks in the trough. This cash payment outburst is nothing more than trying to deflect the public gaze away from the MPs and public sector who have been plundering this country's finances for years under our very noses. Then hoarding it away in tax havens offshore.
I think I'm away to lie down before I march on Westminster!...
I think I'm away to lie down before I march on Westminster!...
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dontknowitall
Ah yes - one rule for the mp's and another for us commoners.
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dontknowitall
Less of the old - oops, forgot I'm 50 ...
went to see shower yesterday. took it apart, found limescaled cartridge. Told customer the price for labour and possible cost of new cartridge. she started hassling price down, I said I'm not VAT registered so its already cheaper than other companies. But even that was too much, she thought that paying by cash I will do it for donkey. ;/ I always give invoice, no matter if is cheque or cash. But I prefer bank transfer if possible.
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that's good, my one charges 85p per £100, but still enjoying my fees free trial 😀
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Carl86
Plumber jailed for a year over £50,000 tax dodge as HMRC cracks down on evasion | This is MoneySo i was reading that article. A chap did not register his earnings. He got caught.
Then i picked up on this snipped from the article:
‘HMRC is clamping down on plumbers and those in other trades who attempt to commit tax evasion, and the sentence given to Careswell will act as a deterrent.’
What about the MPs that fiddled their expenses? At best they offerd to pay back what they shouldnt have taken in the first place! As for bankers fixing the figures, next to no action at all appart from a resignation here and there and a life living off vast earnings for the rest of their days. (with barclays STILL set to make over 4 billion in profit amist all this scandal)
Surely these "deterrents" should start at the very top. After all the people at the top get the biggest media coverage and exposure, if examples are to be made out of people those same examples should apply to them, after all they govern and make the rules and the other holds the economy of this country in its hands as far as im concerned.
Then i picked up on this snipped from the article:
‘HMRC is clamping down on plumbers and those in other trades who attempt to commit tax evasion, and the sentence given to Careswell will act as a deterrent.’
What about the MPs that fiddled their expenses? At best they offerd to pay back what they shouldnt have taken in the first place! As for bankers fixing the figures, next to no action at all appart from a resignation here and there and a life living off vast earnings for the rest of their days. (with barclays STILL set to make over 4 billion in profit amist all this scandal)
Surely these "deterrents" should start at the very top. After all the people at the top get the biggest media coverage and exposure, if examples are to be made out of people those same examples should apply to them, after all they govern and make the rules and the other holds the economy of this country in its hands as far as im concerned.
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petercj
Apparently, they're encouraging kids to snitch on their parents if they believe mum and dad are dodging taxes!!!
Tax evasion: Children encouraged to become 'state spies' and report neighbours who pay too little tax | Mail Online
Gord knows what they'll come out with next!
Do MPs have a moral by-pass before they stand for election?
Tax evasion: Children encouraged to become 'state spies' and report neighbours who pay too little tax | Mail Online
Gord knows what they'll come out with next!
Do MPs have a moral by-pass before they stand for election?
That MP looks like somebody who is asking for slap..plonker pig
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REDSAW
so,
whats the point/?
he goes to jail for a year for not paying £50k (he must have a large business), it cost the tax payer about that for him to be there!.
he then comes out and as he lost his job and is no longer employable he gets dole, income support, tax credits, mortgage paid no council tax etc. because he has been on the rock-n-role for some time, he then gets various re-train to gain packages to boost his employability prospects etc, etc.
who pays and was it worth it????????????????????????????????
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petercj
It would have made more sense to have given him a Community Sentence with an order to pay off the £50k over a period of time.
He could have kept his business going, which would have enabled him to pay regular installments off the £50k, and he could have done community work using his skills to help out OAPs who can't afford a plumber.
He could have kept his business going, which would have enabled him to pay regular installments off the £50k, and he could have done community work using his skills to help out OAPs who can't afford a plumber.
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Helpfulplumber
Cash is king, cheques are feeble! Long live the king!!!!!!!!
it's obvious why this @rsehole thinks it's morally wrong to pay tradesmen cash in hand,
if mp's paid cash in hand, they would'nt get an invoice, which means they could'nt claim the repair to the swimming pool in their second home back from the taxpayer.
if mp's paid cash in hand, they would'nt get an invoice, which means they could'nt claim the repair to the swimming pool in their second home back from the taxpayer.
if your in a suit it's called creative accounting, but a boilersuit and your parasitical scum.
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petercj
When MPs get caught out, it's always called: "an error of judgement", for which they apologise, and they might pay the money back.
Then a few days later one their cronies will be on the BBC praising them up for being "so honourable and honest" in owning up to their responsibilites to the public - as if they'd had a crisis of conscience and owned up to the fiddle, rather than having been outted by the press!
I often switch the radio off now when they start spinning such BS - why waste your battery on having your intelligence insulted.
I keep hoping Paxman will lose it one day, and stop one of them mid sentence saying: "LOOK, we've heard enough of this BS, try telling the ******* truth for once in your life!"
No doubt if he does get tempted, the thought of his fat salary cheque pulls him back from the brink.
I don't like Gordon Ramsay much, but if a TV company were to give Ramsay a late night political chat show, I'd be sure to watch it.
Then a few days later one their cronies will be on the BBC praising them up for being "so honourable and honest" in owning up to their responsibilites to the public - as if they'd had a crisis of conscience and owned up to the fiddle, rather than having been outted by the press!
I often switch the radio off now when they start spinning such BS - why waste your battery on having your intelligence insulted.
I keep hoping Paxman will lose it one day, and stop one of them mid sentence saying: "LOOK, we've heard enough of this BS, try telling the ******* truth for once in your life!"
No doubt if he does get tempted, the thought of his fat salary cheque pulls him back from the brink.
I don't like Gordon Ramsay much, but if a TV company were to give Ramsay a late night political chat show, I'd be sure to watch it.
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