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my training provider is promising these qualification at the end of my training are they trusted qualifications and would it get me a decent job next to a bit of experienc
c&g 6189 - 11 level 2 nvq diploma in plumbing and heating systems ( full award after a onsite portfolio)
bpec water regulations
c&g 2399 - 01 level 2 award in enviromental technolgy systems awareness
bpec part p defined scope electrical
bpec unvented hot water systems
bpec solar hot water systems
bpec heat pump systems
bpec water harvesting and re use systems
bpec underfloor heating
 
It would be just a lot of toilet paper without real experience!

By the time you have got all of them most employers would expected you to have done a 5 year apprentiship . . .

Fast track course provider dont half spin a yard!

Lol!
 
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It would be just a lot of toilet paper without real experience!

By the time you have got all of them most employers would expected you to have done a 5 year apprentiship . . .

Fast track course provider dont half spin a yard!

Lol!
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but like he says he's doing the nvq so there is his experience then he should do level 3, then get the rest of that list.
 
i am currently doing a level 2 course at my local college, i am only in for 2 and a half days a week, with 1 hour a week doing english.
gone are the days when they want you to learn everything in the trade, i think they just want the pass!
yes i tried to get a apprenticeship, i tried on here, advertising locally and called up loads of plumbers.
when i am 18 i will be going to RF training in birmingham to get my level 3 with gas safe and also getting solar panels and solid fuel heating
 
I really wish people coming into this trade would open their eyes.
That is a decent list of quals, but:

Paper quals are meaningless without experience.
Doing a college NVQ will not give you experience even with the required work placements which will teach you very little.
Unless you are extremely lucky (emphasising the extremely) you won't be employable/employed.(do you really think an apprentice 3 months into is time would/could get a start as a journeyman)
Therefore, your only route into the trade is self employment which you can do with NO quals if you choose to

Have a good think about it before you waste your money.
Then again you just might be one of the lucky ones but remember sales are built on dreams.
 
but its the same at any job at the minute, no one is employing, as i said i have tried to get an apprenticeship, but no one wanted to employ anyone. so there is no 'experience' the only way of getting the experience is by going self employed.
 
I alredy have a employer who im goin too voluntaryli once a week hes also gas safe so i am goin to be doing my nvq level 2 and my gas portfolio there and will go onto level 3
and i will gobself employed after the course.I knw it doesnt meen anything either without experience but dey dont employ people and ask for experience how do they expect people to gain any then? Its just a corrupt system not many helpful people out there
 
selocan said:
I alredy have a employer who im goin too voluntaryli once a week hes also gas safe
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So he sends you to the van for stuff and 80% of the time you bring back the right thing and the other 20% of the time he feels like ripping your head off then you stand and watch him? 1st year apprentice stuff.

The system is not corrupt. Far from it. The only corrupt thing is the people filling the heads and emptying the pockets of hopefuls with false dreams and an unregulated trade.
Somewhere over the past 10 years people seem to think you can get a qualification then you can get a job. Trades don't work like that and never will. With any trade you get the job, do your time, get your experience then get the qualification at the end. Those are the things most employers look for. A paper qual is meaningless if you can't do the work.
That is why paper qualifications, no matter what you get, are unlikely to get you employment which leads to your only route of self employment (which suits the government) and the diminishing and distrust of the trade. For every 1 who makes it 10 fall by the wayside.
Stick in and learn fast
 
I see what you mean mate, its true but just the way of life rarely any apprenticeships going around so young hopefuls such as me have no choice other than believing in the training providers which is maybe are only hope in this country at the moment with everything falling apart around us. The goverment isn't helping employers cant risk it with all the polish workers doing jobs and working for half the price i am not rascist but even in the papers i saw recently how there all heading back now because theres no job and gbp hasnt got the value it once use too its just like a swarm of ants eat everything up and move to the next area once everything is depleted.
 
And yes maybe he does just send me to the van to get a few tools however i watch learn and apply what i learned when he goves me the chance and its better than nothing you may be a plumber for a few years and learned in a different way but times have changed..
 
selocan said:
And yes maybe he does just send me to the van to get a few tools however i watch learn and apply what i learned when he goves me the chance and its better than nothing you may be a plumber for a few years and learned in a different way but times have changed..
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Couldnt agree more times have changed, years ago an apprenticeship was the only realistic way into the trade, with the current economic climate, I think the only realistic way of getting any trade is to go out and grab it by the balls yourself get your training and qualification finished and enter the workplace with confidence in your own abilty and a willingness to learn from your peers and superiors. If I was looking for a plumbers mate/trainee I would take someone who has been on a fast track course over a day release apprentice every time, you have aleady demonstrated an eagerness to progress and learn and a can do attitude by the simple fact that you went out there and spent hard earned money on getting qualified gave up your free time to go on these courses and had the ability to pass the exams. In a further education college a high percentage of any class is filled with timewasters and muppets with the same mentality they had at school who will mess around and disrupt the learning of others. I say good on you and good luck dont listen to the naysayers some of them are just hanging on to the past.
 
Top man finally someone abit positive and its not always about the course its about the person its self college is a different atmosphere i done a 2 year electrical course and all i learned was theory didnt even see a circuit board. Apprenticeships maybe the best way but i believe the training providers is a stepping stone you need to know a plumber in order to just work with him from the age of 15 16. I feel some of the older generation pkumbers need to open up there mind and help out abit rather than degrade everything us newcomers are doing
 
I started of just fetching tools...

stick in mate learn the trade work for plumber either paid or for free, do the course work for family etc.

and you will be a plumber if your good enough, if not just another person working at tesco.

just stick in lad you'll get far and dont listen to the old farts on here 😉 no offence lads
 
I advise people to seriously consider something else while the going is good . .. .

Why would you want to join a trade where there isn't enough work for many who have years of experience? There are guys I know with 10 years on the tools and they still cant get on any site . . .

The domestic scene is worse as there are far too many plumbers (in the South East) competing for far less jobs than when people actually had expendable income!

You have to be aware of the pitfalls - the building trade is not a very good option these days. I have a friend who is a sparky and is in a far worse situation due to lack of work . . ..

Get into IT, web design or anything up and coming. Plumbing is not the cushy option everyone thinks it is!
 
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I advise people to seriously consider something else while the going is good . .. .

Why would you want to join a trade where there isn't enough work for many who have years of experience? There are guys I know with 10 years on the tools and they still cant get on any site . . .

The domestic scene is worse as there are far too many plumbers (in the South East) competing for far less jobs than when people actually had expendable income!

You have to be aware of the pitfalls - the building trade is not a very good option these days. I have a friend who is a sparky and is in a far worse situation due to lack of work . . ..

Get into IT, web design or anything up and coming. Plumbing is not the cushy option everyone thinks it is!
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Very good advice. Plus rather than give your money to the leeching training centres you're far better off paying a plumber to teach you or take you on IMO. If I had the skill for it Web Design is something I would definitely consider going into. Or something that is aimed at people setting up on their own, like becoming a van signwriter or something like that. Or if its a trade you want, become a tiler, minimum outlay to start up and the worse damage you can do is break a tile
 
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I advise people to seriously consider something else while the going is good . .. .

Why would you want to join a trade where there isn't enough work for many who have years of experience? There are guys I know with 10 years on the tools and they still cant get on any site . . .

The domestic scene is worse as there are far too many plumbers (in the South East) competing for far less jobs than when people actually had expendable income!

You have to be aware of the pitfalls - the building trade is not a very good option these days. I have a friend who is a sparky and is in a far worse situation due to lack of work . . ..

Get into IT, web design or anything up and coming. Plumbing is not the cushy option everyone thinks it is!
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I know of plumbers now working in pubs and tesco to earn a crust, 2 sparkies who have left the trade and a good chippies who has left the tools and just lost his house! Why people think construction is a good option at present is beyond me, i have to rely on rental income to boost plumbing income whereas years back the rents were a bonus!
 
Every industry and service business is suffering at the minute, as for web design. Web designers have to compete with india which they do a website for half or third of the price. Some designers are on equivalent to web design. Computer programmin and security is a different matter but they are less jobs for them now.

Grass is always greener.

Try and an apprenticeship with an oil rig company.
 
deandive said:
Couldnt agree more times have changed, years ago an apprenticeship was the only realistic way into the trade, with the current economic climate, I think the only realistic way of getting any trade is to go out and grab it by the balls yourself get your training and qualification finished and enter the workplace with confidence in your own abilty and a willingness to learn from your peers and superiors. If I was looking for a plumbers mate/trainee I would take someone who has been on a fast track course over a day release apprentice every time, you have aleady demonstrated an eagerness to progress and learn and a can do attitude by the simple fact that you went out there and spent hard earned money on getting qualified gave up your free time to go on these courses and had the ability to pass the exams. In a further education college a high percentage of any class is filled with timewasters and muppets with the same mentality they had at school who will mess around and disrupt the learning of others. I say good on you and good luck dont listen to the naysayers some of them are just hanging on to the past.
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Amen well said
 
I suppose at least plumbing cannot be out sourced . . ..

However it is not the solid option that it used to be. there are always industries that are thriving and others which are struggling.

Take property development - that is going as strong as ever in some areas contrary to some thinking that the market would crash completely . . ..

It is a shame it costs so much to get in to but i would consider it certainly!
 

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