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Not in all cases. Many believe the hype of easy earnings and a easy life and are bored with their current career. They see training as a plumber as being the answer.Fast track courses are a stepping stone into the industry for people not lucky enough to be able to get an apprenticeship at an early age.
Not in all cases. Many believe the hype of easy earnings and a easy life and are bored with their current career. They see training as a plumber as being the answer.
After the banking crisis, many bank employees who had been doing the same specialised banking work for years, suddenly found themselves without a job and having read the false marketing promises from the training schools, then decided to become plumbers, sparks etc. Many had never even picked up a hammer before.
The course providers should be made to tell the truth and advertise realistic figures of what can be earned in todays times of Tory austerity.
From my experience of the tutors at the local college you will also take a serious cut in money if you work for a normal college. I think you need to go to a specialist training centre if you want to earn big bucks like Kirk.
What he hasn't told you is like most teachers you spend a lot more time doing the prep work, exams & correcting all the mistake on the stuff that the Guilds send through ( at the moment I am thier very own correction service, they send out the crap, I check it all for them & send it back telling them what is wrong all un-paid).a full time college lecturer on the top band is on about £36k ( 32hrs a week, only 25 teaching, for 40 weeks a year) if you are on a temp contract you will get about £30ph plus £7ph put aside for holiday pay so you dont starve
if you are time served the do your A1 and V1 (5-6 days total collating work/reports/ being checked doing a dual assessment) then you are a trainer, as plenty will say before i do, it also helps if you are no good at the job and need to get away from real work haha
Yes but how much money has been lost by you not doing the job as a whole & to the reputation of plumbing buy letting these people have a go to see if they could make it. Why or how did they get the jobs in the first place - answer they were cheaper - custards do not care to much how long they have been trading, what training they have etc etc, just are they cheap (of course there transferable people / business skills may well sell the job to the customer over you, LOL,)There have been four "fast track" plumbers in my area in the last few years, none of which had any relevant experience prior to setting up. The longest lasted about 18 months at it before giving up. I have had plenty of business going round putting right their work afterwards.
No, your right it doesn't but what do you recon the chances are that they will be ??? If you have not come via that route then I would suggest it's very difficult to talk with any authority.This will be probably sound a dumb question, but what is your guys thoughts on the qualification its self (the 6129) i did it at college, would you guys say its a cowboy route or is it just training centres that get the bad stick. Surely the 6129 is the same where ever its tought, and in that i would suggest its the qual that you guys have the problem with. I dont disagree there is no better experiance than the traditional route, but to brand everyone who does the 6129 as almost less worthy in my book is wrong. I take a similar approach to masood. Focus, never be affraid to ask, etc etc
I suppose the point i'm making is, thats its down to the individual. Just because the said person is "time served" or took traditional route doesn't in some cases make them competant.
Your spot on chris yes, i don't disagree with anything you've said and don't wish to appear to be speaking with authority on the subject. I'm glad i did mine at college as we wasn't told what to put for this that and the other and the lecturer made us think. He also stuck to the rules like if your bends or marking wasn't within the 2mm tolerance you'd have to do it again lol. So i felt i got value for money from the course. That said, when i started going to peoples houses etc, it highlights just how little is tought on the course.No, your right it doesn't but what do you recon the chances are that they will be ??? If you have not come via that route then I would suggest it's very difficult to talk with any authority.
As Fuzzy will no doubt tell you, nothing wrong with the 6129 on its own, every apprentice over the last 7+ years has had to do it, the problem is that unless you can do the 6089 NVQ you are not classed as qualified buy the industry (you could look at the 6089 as a trade skills test i.e. this is the minimum skills that anyone should have before we let them loose on the public), for the reasons already covered.
You can't really think that teaching is the same all over. Does it not make any difference to the learner how good or knowledgeable they are? The times over the years that I have had learners from other places in, to be told "we never covered that" "No they just told us the answers to those exams", "system planning, no we never did any of that they just told us what to put when we went in for the day"
does that mean that I am wrong to suggest that there needs to be some effective means of controlling who enters (the numbers) the industry, even if the means saying NO I am very sorry you can not be a plumber!, you are too old, can't find a plumbing job, not bright enough or by whatever other criteria we what to lay down.
Wonder how the medical services, for instants, get on then when inappropriately qualified, trained or experienced people applier for post in an NHS hospitals, do they say come on in, have a go, you will soon pick it up, couple of years & you will be up to standard. Am I asking for anything different Peter ?
Nothing to do with Equality Act or EU legislation as you well know !!!!
Does not the person who is not suited or does not have the ability to succeed in a profession have rights too ? are you correct to encouraging them to believe that they can ??
It seems to be a trait of our modern society.
No, I don't need the police, I am more than capable myself but you are clearly not !!
As you mentioned the police, do you know how many are in training now? have a look at the specials ? hundreds of thousands chasing just a few places, how are they selected & then trained for the job. It is call assessment ! good enough-your in, not up to scratch - sorry!
(un-less your dads the inspector LOL)
Some poetry
6129 is mine and it didn't take much time
It was brilliantly taught
But now I am caught
They say I need unvented, acs and wras
More cash!
Out on the job, its not making sense
It was easier in college on the bench
Estate Agent and Banker now Plumber
Occupations of shysters?
Bummer!
No point in a fast track course unless you've got a gas safe engineer to take you under their wing to mentor you before during and after your gas safe exams. Once your qualified your still learning all the time.
Is there a fast track course to the pub?
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