had new boiler fitted, confused as to why they ran the gas pipe the way it is.

[cypher007]

had a plumber install a new boiler over the last couple of days. and slightly confused as to the way they have run the 28mm gas pipe.

weve had the boiler fitted in an upstairs cupboard. so they said they would run the gas pipe up the wall and through the loft. ok I said. well when they had finished I found I had a verticle couple of metres up the wall from the gas metre, then it 45's across the house (crossing the SWA DC feed from my solar), and into the loft. it looks ****. then once in the loft it goes straight across to the second (old external wall) where were some breeze blocks missing for a crawl space. it then 90 and is clipped along this wall until it 90 again then along the top of a joist then 90 again to the boiler pipe, where it 90 down into the cupboard.

now I said couldn't you just have gone straight up the outside wall 90 into the loft then drill through the old wall and keep going until you hit the boiler? nice reasonably straight run.

he said they couldn't as it would mean sleeving it again. what does this mean and am I just getting fobbed off? if its not allowed under gas regs then ill have to put up with it I guess.

 

[Rickster123]

You're being fobbed off. Sounds like a horrible mess. Any pics of the pipework?

 

[Masood]

So what if they did have to sleeve it? It's not difficult!

 

[cypher007]

ill get some pics sorted.

what annoys me is this is the second plumber ive used to do a job who then seems to want to bugger things up instead of just doing a good job.

while this one was here he sorted the unvented vent that the other plumber had just dropped into the down pipe for the conservatory. at least that's now right.

 

[drip-dry]

sounds like a engineer orientation problem to me,have you any strong magnets in the roof or strange gravitational pulls,if so can have a devastating effect,as you have found,happened back in the 60's big time with whales being washed up on beached miles off their normal course due to us navy experiments with the above for mentioned..failing that ..maybe try a breathalizer...

 

[newcastle phill]

Yeh maybe his pipe-directometer wasnt zero'ed of perhaps it picked up a false north pole as a datum.

North poles can be a problem this time of year due to the extra activity caused by christmas. Something to do with santas elves coming out of hibernation and feeling the love for each other...

 

[Dotty]

sounds like a engineer orientation problem to me,have you any strong magnets in the roof or strange gravitational pulls,if so can have a devastating effect,as you have found,happened back in the 60's big time with whales being washed up on beached miles off their normal course due to us navy experiments with the above for mentioned..failing that ..maybe try a breathalizer...

Yeh maybe his pipe-directometer wasnt zero'ed of perhaps it picked up a false north pole as a datum.

North poles can be a problem this time of year due to the extra activity caused by christmas. Something to do with santas elves coming out of hibernation and feeling the love for each other...

Have you two been sniffing ajax?

 

[mutley racers]

Have you two been sniffing ajax?

Loved those movies. If you are referring to cheech and chong any way

 

[cypher007]

heres a pic:

 

[stevetheplumber]

not the worst ive seen by a long chalk at least its well clipped

 

[PhoenixServices]

Not the worst but a daft way of doing it. Couldn't he of come along further horizontal then gone vertical? Or just stayed vertical and drilled a new hole. Gas pipes shouldn't really cross cables if possible.

 

[Tjdservices]

Maybe he was trying to avoid to many bends?

 

[cypher007]

my thought was what if the panels get hit by lightening I would have thought the power going down that cable might like the look of a nice copper earthed pipe.

 

[Rickster123]

An absolute eyesore! I wouldn't live with that on my house. No reason for it what so ever. Looks cack.

 

[cypher007]

because hes gone this way there is actually more bends overall and a longer pipe run. if he had said ive only got one sleeve, I would have nipped out and got another one.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

because hes gone this way there is actually more bends overall and a longer pipe run. if he had said ive only got one sleeve, I would have nipped out and got another one.

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You don't need special sleeves normally 1 1/2 plastic waste pipe

 

[gmartine]

Christ, a short horizontal run from the meter to allow the main run to be completely vertical would've been better, it's a pig's ear.

 

[newcastle phill]

I think hes miscalculated the location and had a 45 in his pocket lol

 

[Rickster123]

I think hes miscalculated the location and had a 45 in his pocket lol

On a Friday at around 4pm...

 

[buckley plumb]

What's on the loft wall left of the gas pipe. If the workings for the solar then he would have kept away from that but to 45 it looks awful

 

[Stanios]

As far as displays of poor workmanship goes this doesnt make that list at all. Yes it could have been done abit better (and ALOT worse) but at the end of the day its all about working gas pressure at boiler. Without adequate pressure your boiler cant be signed off. So many boilers are put in these days with no regards to gas pipe and pressure. Money down the drain.

If you want to see what bad work looks like check out the hall of shame thread

 

[Rickster123]

As far as displays of poor workmanship goes this doesnt make that list at all. Yes it could have been done abit better (and ALOT worse) but at the end of the day its all about working gas pressure at boiler. Without adequate pressure your boiler cant be signed off. So many boilers are put in these days with no regards to gas pipe and pressure. Money down the drain.

If you want to see what bad work looks like check out the hall of shame thread

So as a paying customer you would accept this quality of work?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

also doesn't a gas line have to be atleast 25-50mm away from any elec line 😉

 

[quality]

Think that's only commercial, but could be wrong

 

[Stanios]

So as a paying customer you would accept this quality of work?

Its not if I accept or not its that I have no excuse! What could I say "I dont like that 45, im not gona pay you"


I hear things like this every day from customers...just today was scrutinised by customer about a "bent" pipe. Had to tell him what benders were and their purpose..

 

[gmartine]

As far as displays of poor workmanship goes this doesnt make that list at all. Yes it could have been done abit better (and ALOT worse) but at the end of the day its all about working gas pressure at boiler. Without adequate pressure your boiler cant be signed off. So many boilers are put in these days with no regards to gas pipe and pressure. Money down the drain.

If the layout looks that bad then it absolutely does, we can all make an educated guess as to why this particular plumber opted to do this but we also know how little extra it would've taken to do it properly and there's little excuse for that.

 

[Stanios]

If the layout looks that bad then it absolutely does, we can all make an educated guess as to why this particular plumber opted to do this but we also know how little extra it would've taken to do it properly and there's little excuse for that.

The way I see it compliance with regs and manufacturer is above all else, you are there to give someone heating not a display piece for grand designs

 

[Rickster123]

The way I see it compliance with regs and manufacturer is above all else, you are there to give someone heating not a display piece for grand designs

I think taking pride in ones work is essential. Not everybody shares that view but in my opinion they're giving quality tradesmen a bad name.

 

[PhoenixServices]

I have to agree with app. Every job should work perfectly and look the dogs dangles. That's what makes good tradesman and also master tradesmen. Although the customer wants everything cheap as chips and done yesterday

 

[Stanios]

Whoever done that run isnt helping me with my argument because as Shaun pointed out its too close to the cable on top of being ugly its not even following the regs

 

[AWheating]

Needs some insulation tape on where it crosses the cable, just to make it look even better lol

 

[cypher007]

I phoned him, after asking on another forum that deals with solar in which they quoted the 25mm limit, he said he would ask his colleague who did the loft side why they did it that way. I said well when I questioned the sanity of going round the second wall I was told because it would require sleeving the pipe twice, I also added if it requires me to go and get a second sleeve at my cost I don't mind. id rather it looked right and doesn't go over DC cables, my sons bedroom ceiling, and round and round in the loft. so hopefully they will come and sort it.

after they change this pipe run it should mean more gas pressure at the boiler, as the run will be shorter.

 

[colshaws]

also doesn't a gas line have to be atleast 25-50mm away from any elec line 😉

This is taken from the electricians on-site guide
" Gas installation pipe work should be at least 25mm away from electrical switches sockets and electrical supply and distribution cables"
It then says something about this being taken from BS6891:2014

 

[markadams]

The electrical regs also say that if you are unable to comply with the 25mm rule then you are allowed to wrap the part of the pipe which crosses within 25mm with an insulating material (tape).

 

[ShaunCorbs]

The electrical regs also say that if you are unable to comply with the 25mm rule then you are allowed to wrap the part of the pipe which crosses within 25mm with an insulating material (tape).

Not gas regs tho needs to have space and don't forget it's mains cable (feeding back into the mains ) so same rules as the dno

 

[markadams]

Its DC so not mains AC.

 

[colshaws]

That depends at which end of that cable the inverter is fitted. If fitted in the loft then cable is AC

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Its DC so not mains AC.

Ac as inverter will be in the loft else they would of used solar cable if it was from the panels and not swa

 

[cypher007]

its DC as I had the inverter fitted in the garage. there is an isolator for the DC in the loft.

as far as I'm concerned people who install inverters in lofts are daft/stupid. the things can get proper roasting on a sunny day as it is without being put in the loft oven.