ID condensate pipe??

[Ermintrude]

I give up

After what emitrude has just said I'm starting to wonder if the heat from the rads should be put to atmosphere as that is a product of combustion

FFS!

I can't read this thread anymore

No heat in rads is not a product of combustion complete or in complete.

Heat in rads is due to the energy from an exothermic reaction
(Combustion) being transferred into heat transfer fluid. The heat u feel is not a 'product' it's just the conservation of energy in a closed system.

Methane and oxygen are gases and energetic, water and carbon dioxide are lower energy so because energy cannot be lost or created, the difference in energy is transferred into the surrounding environment of the reaction ( heat exchanger)

I'm just being a dick! Simon 100% behind what ur saying.

 

[kirkgas]

What are you drinking?

You tell us, you said you only employ them to make the tea

 

[Dickie]

Just a shame all this is on the public forum.

You maybe shocked to hear this Simon. As one of the most highly respected members of the Gas industry & I can't get into the private RGIs forum on here or on DIYdoughnuts!! Amazing eh??!!

 

[Dickie]

You tell us, you said you only employ them to make the tea

I did share this insight earlier Kirky, try to keep up! Tetley dear boy, Tetley.
Oh by the way, how's the new wean?? Happy & healthy I hope?? Congrats big man.

 

[Ermintrude]

You maybe shocked to hear this Simon. As one of the most highly respected members of the Gas industry & I can't get into the private RGIs forum on here or on DIYdoughnuts!! Amazing eh??!!

Diydoughnuts? The questions for the RGI forum take some interpretation !

What's the plumbers Arms? - the elite drawing room?

How are u the most respected? - not being rude do u have more than one yellow and black logo on ur badge, or awards? I just don't know how u measure that sort of thing. My colleagues disrespect me as if its not right it's coming out. Been to jobs other lads done to fit stat or something trivial, and dragged them back as the job was shocking. Flue not fully pointed up on inside or undersized gas . Get snide remarks all the time. Not respected at all !!

 

[tamz]

I can't get into the private RGIs forum on here or on DIYdoughnuts!! Amazing eh??!!

Well i voted to let you in at the time on donuts but you were black balled :lol:

 

[Ermintrude]

Well i voted to let you in at the time on donuts but you were black balled :lol:

What's doughnuts ?

 

[tamz]

Another inferior forum

 

[SimonG]

You maybe shocked to hear this Simon. As one of the most highly respected members of the Gas industry & I can't get into the private RGIs forum on here or on DIYdoughnuts!! Amazing eh??!!

Not shocked at all, just a shame that the general public get to see the hand bag waving.

 

[Dickie]

Well i voted to let you in at the time on donuts but you were black balled :lol:

Thanks Uncle tamz, your my hero & I'll pay you back that 20quid I borrowed from you down the Lodge, I promise!!

 

[Jimbob]

It is a funny one, but the regs as posted confirm it. But there is the potential of flue gasses to escape... If the trap was to somehow dry up, like it does on the old baxi combis when the heat exchangers rot.

 

[Ermintrude]

It is a funny one, but the regs as posted confirm it. But there is the potential of flue gasses to escape... If the trap was to somehow dry up, like it does on the old baxi combis when the heat exchangers rot.

Yeh but ID means the danger is imminent not a risk of danger. Ifs and buts = risk!

 

[tamz]

The world is full of what ifs.
If we fully assessed every risk we wouldn't get out of bed............. that's if we could be sure it was safe to get into it in the first place



:uhoh2::uhoh2::uhoh2:

 

[Ermintrude]

The world is full of what ifs.
If we fully assessed every risk we wouldn't get out of bed............. that's if we could be sure it was safe to get into it in the first place



:uhoh2::uhoh2::uhoh2:

What I was trying to say was, rule of thumb, if situation has to be accompanied by if or but it's an at risk or ncs. Always check unsafe situations. 6th ed . Bit crude but common sense ?

An appliance is spilling - ID

An appliance could spill if the condensate trap was dry and the discharge pipework had air gaps and was open to the compartment / internal space. - AR

 

[tamz]

So in normal operation the trap is sealed and the pipework is sound there is no risk. We are not there to make up scenario's of what if, only to assess the actual situation.

 

[Ermintrude]

So in normal operation the trap is sealed and the pipework is sound there is no risk. We are not there to make up scenario's of what if, only to assess the actual situation.

Yep, so NCS or at very worst AR

 

[Mike Jackson]

I think I'd best turn my boiler off. If the back wall of the house falls down the flue will be closer than 300 to an opening and POC may enter the house.

 

[vern]

Lmao at this thread....Mike hit the nail on head regards condensate pumps are not sealed, challenged GasSafe on this very issue and won ( I was that way out that day, jeez the install was not even mine)

it's like saying I have put on a tightness test today, BUT it may leak TOMORROW so I will I.D it!

 

[Ermintrude]

I think I'd best turn my boiler off. If the back wall of the house falls down the flue will be closer than 300 to an opening and POC may enter the house.

Not sure? Are u going AR then not ID?

 

[Gary71]

If it were me I'd start with manufactures instructions, if I had concerns I'd empty the internal trap and run the boiler to see how quick the trap refills to put things into perspective, if I had felt there was a real chance of spillage I would repair or isolate till a repair is made.

i find a lot of boilers will fill their internal traps quite quickly from dry.

 

[tamz]

Yep, so NCS or at very worst AR

But it is to standard. British standard 6798 which i'm sure would hold up in court if it came to it.
If it doesn't then whats the point. We should all just make up our own standards (although some already do)

 

[mutley racers]

The guy that taught me never used to fill traps before commissioning. Said it produces litres in minutes so no point

 

[Ermintrude]

The guy that taught me never used to fill traps before commissioning. Said it produces litres in minutes so no point

Some size boilers u on !

 

[tamz]

They do fill quickly but common sense tells you to fill it especially if you are in a confined space

 

[Ermintrude]

But it is to standard. British standard 6798 which i'm sure would hold up in court if it came to it.
If it doesn't then whats the point. We should all just make up our own standards (although some already do)

Eh? But mfrs instructions don't show this for any boiler I ever installed (as far as I remember)
Can u post extract from standards? - for everyone's benefit?

Just bending over now!

 

[mutley racers]

Some size boilers u on !

Ok, maybe not minutes but hrs.

 

[tamz]

Eh? But mfrs instructions don't show this for any boiler I ever installed (as far as I remember)
Can u post extract from standards? - for everyone's benefit?

I already posted an extract from the BS in post 31 with the relevant diagrams.

Since you are familiar with Logic's if you read page 23 of the MI's you will find this


and read page 7 and it says this as do almost every other MI out there

Detailed recommendations are contained in the following British
Standard Codes of Practice:
BS. 5440:1 Flues (for gas appliances of rated input not
exceeding 70 kW).
BS. 5440:2 Ventilation (for gas appliances of rated input not
exceeding 70 kW).
BSEN. 12828:2003 Heating Systems in buildings: Design for
water based heating systems.
BSEN 12831:2003 Heating Systems in buildings: Method for
calculation of the design heat load.
BSEN 14336:2004 Heating Systems in buildings: Installation
and commissioning of water based heating
systems.
BS. 5546 Installation of gas hot water supplies for domestic
purposes (2nd Family Gases)
BS. 6798 Installation of gas fired hot water boilers of rated
input not exceeding 70 kW.
BS. 6891 Low pressure installation pipes.

 

[Kev the gas]

After 8 pages of some cr.p, remember it wont be long before they start freezing again, hopefully no body dies, but havent heard of CO poisoning from a beday waste yet!

 

[tamz]

After 8 pages of some cr.p, remember it wont be long before they start freezing again, hopefully no body dies, but havent heard of CO poisoning from a beday waste yet!

Its a bid et :lol: and co poisoning is the least of your worries with one of them :lol:

 

[hammers4spanner]

Ok, maybe not minutes but hrs.

they do fill quick watch them fill on hot water only takes few mins

also this thread is laughable

 

[Gary71]

If you don't leave an air gap asper mi then theres no warranty if the condensate backs up and damages the boiler (on a cold day)

 

[Ermintrude]

I already posted an extract from the BS in post 31 with the relevant diagrams.

Since you are familiar with Logic's if you read page 23 of the MI's you will find this
View attachment 14826

and read page 7 and it says this as do almost every other MI out there

Detailed recommendations are contained in the following British
Standard Codes of Practice:
BS. 5440:1 Flues (for gas appliances of rated input not
exceeding 70 kW).
BS. 5440:2 Ventilation (for gas appliances of rated input not
exceeding 70 kW).
BSEN. 12828:2003 Heating Systems in buildings: Design for
water based heating systems.
BSEN 12831:2003 Heating Systems in buildings: Method for
calculation of the design heat load.
BSEN 14336:2004 Heating Systems in buildings: Installation
and commissioning of water based heating
systems.
BS. 5546 Installation of gas hot water supplies for domestic
purposes (2nd Family Gases)
BS. 6798 Installation of gas fired hot water boilers of rated
input not exceeding 70 kW.
BS. 6891 Low pressure installation pipes.

Logic doesn't show tundish or open cond pipe? Ahhhhh but it does show cond above water trap! Devil is in the detail!!!

 

[Kev the gas]

Its a bid et :lol: and co poisoning is the least of your worries with one of them :lol:

I take it you have tried a bit of Colonic irrigation with a bid et xxxxxxx

 

[tamz]

Once bitten twice shy :smile:

 

[Chris Kafetzis]

When I did my first boiler install I ran a condense into a rainwater gutter. As it was me first when it got inspected the guy (Alan Mathews) said that if the gutter got blocked you'd get corrosive water running down the bricks causing a problem. As it happened I'd fitted a neutraliser anyway so he said it was fine but in any case he wouldn't write it down as any fault at all. He said it was a non gas related issue.

this situation is slightly different, but as others have said IF the trap was empty when the boiler fired up it would take a very small amount of time to fill up again anyway. I would say NCS, and yes i feel sorry for anybody who has their boiler disconnected for that...