Is my apprentice taking drugs?

[king of pipes]

Stanios just talk to the boy theres always two sides to a story dont jump to conclusions if in the worst case scenario he is on something, or has some other problem then offer him help, if this get thrown back in your face then you seriously need to think of his future with you , explain that as your employee everytime he goes out to carry out work he is representing you and the company image and needs to present himself in a clean tidy professional manner, the college side of things would worry me he needs to knuckle down attend college gain, the highest grades possible complete his NVQS and portfolios he cannot progress in his career till the training is completed. Kop

 

[oz-plumber]

If it were me I would tell you to duck off out of my or my sons personal life as it is nothing to do with you.

I dont know why but all of a sudden employing someones means you own them and can tell them what they can and cant do outside of work as it's simply their business not yours what they do.

If it is impacting on work then you can say something but otherwise butt out.

The point is - it is impacting his work.
He was kicked out of College also.

Reason enough in my book.

 

[Aire]

Haven't read all the replies but my personal take on this is to stay out his personal business. Spending £300 A weekend is nothing these days, when I was his age I could easily blow £80 a night and that was 13 years ago. Before you ask I've never taken a drug in my life. If he wants to be paid early thats up to you whether you do it or not, but if you do it frequently he'll expect it and know he doesnt need to be carful with his money.
However if he's coming to work drugged up then that's a different story and I'm sure you are within your legal rights to request a drug test if you suspect something, but you have to warn him about it first. It probably won't do much for him trusting you though. As for his attitude towards plumbing outside of work and at college, I thinks that's how alot of youngsters are now, they leave work at work and don't think about it when they get home and some just generally dislike college and don't want to do all the paperwork and studying that goes with it.
In general though, if your happy with him and he works well, invest in him. If your not happy with him or have concerns (about work, not personal life) then sit down with him and bring it up and ask for an honest response from him.

 

[Millsy 82]

The point is - it is impacting his work.
He was kick out of College also.

Reason enough in my book.

Where does it say he was kicked out of college just they refused to take him on 1 day a week. Maybe they dont do that I had 1 apprentice his was 2.5 days college 2.5 days work. Both my boss and me said it's stupid as he didnt have any transport so he lost half a day. Once in his second year he didnt bother going the half day and worked it instead and the college were ok with that.

But nowhere does it say he was kicked out because of drugs.

Stanios even said no evidence of drug use at work and he is a really hard worker. Maybe he is just like I was and hated college but enjoyed working.

 

[Deleted member 96286]

Might not be drugs, it could be gambling debt or he may have taken out a loan that he's struggling to pay back.
Gambling is a drug and ruins lives. I think you need to sit the lad down and talk calmly but firmly with him, without sounding like you're trying to interrogate him.
At the end of the day, you have a business to run and you have bills to pay too. A slip up from this lad could ruin your reputation. He's a very lucky lad to have someone like you taking him on and caring about his well being too.

 

[Stanios]

Cheers for the wisdom, many wiser than me in these matters evidently! I've probed about his nights out they are eventful, suppose being out of touch hadn't realised such money can be spent on alcohol. Il tread carefully and probably just lease a van and keep a very close eye on things.

We are in it for long term I hope with that view I should not reprimand him even if there is evidence he is using socially as he would probably use and not tell me again I rather know and maybe be helpfull when and if it gets out of hand? Though I hate the thought of business paying into some scummy drugdealer's pocket (can't they just legalise the stuff or something)

 

[rpm]

Don`t lease on the van, maybe a cheaper van & magnetic signs to start then progress, that way you aren`t tied to a contract.

Like your attitude to the lad BTW. Good luck.

 

[Aire]

can't they just legalise the stuff or something

Might have to, if the retirement age is raised to 75 as planned, many many pensioners will need the stuff to get through the day 😛

 

[rpm]

(Can't they just legalise the stuff or something)

Wish they would, fed up driving my Ford whilst my man drives a Merc! 😉

 

[Deleted member 32524]

They shoud legalise the lot. Revenue could be spent on useful social projects, like houses, schools, hospitals and the likes. Drug dealers in my scheme are making a fortune and the police seem to do nothing about it. They own 60k motors, holidays, caravans.....One boy I know from growing up is estimated to make about 4k a week from weed!!

 

[Harvest Fields]

Are we still on about this???😵😵😵😵

 

[firemant]

I employed a woman in our shop. She was in her 40's and a single mum. She started to date some guy. One morning her nose was bleeding. My wife sorted her out and said that was weird. She replied that she had started to try Coke. My wife asked why, and she said her BF was into it and she thought she would try it.

She had to go. She had our shop keys and babysat for our nippers, and we were not waiting for any serious fallout.

 

[oz-plumber]

One way to find out without intruding on his privacy..

Keep employing him for the interim and see if things start disappearing.
Like money from you van / wallet, items that you have that can be sold easily.
Customers might call you to ask if saw something that they now find missing. Like a wallet or purse!!!

Most addicts ( not saying your apprentice is and addict ) are fine when they can maintain their habit financially, it's when they can't maintain their habit financially they become a problem.

 

[Millsy 82]

One way to find out without intruding on his privacy..

Keep employing him for the interim and see if things start disappearing.
Like money from you van / wallet, items that you have that can be sold easily.
Customers might call you to ask if saw something that they now find missing. Like a wallet or purse!!!

Most addicts ( not saying your apprentice is and addict ) are fine when they can maintain their habit financially, it's when they can't maintain their habit financially they become a problem.

Or just see if they fall down the toilet trainspotting style.

Come on not every body is a stereo type. Do you walk round upside down with a cork hat and saying strewth whilst swigging your fosters.

I started smoking weed when I was 16 between the age of 17 and 21 I probably took enough pills to kill off the kangaroo population chuck in a bit of speed over that time, always turned down smack as didnt look my kind of thing and couldn't afford coke back then. I cut down most drugs at age 21 apart from weed because my son was born and still did the occasional pill and then the odd bit of coke as we were starting to get that a bit cheaper.

A large amount of my friends still use drugs recreationally and out of everybody I used to hang around with back then 2 became heroin addicts over the space of 2 years and I know of 1 coke addict. Out of those 3 they all still worked to fund their habit and never stole a penny to fund their habit.

I know of 2 people that got sent to prison and blamed having to steal on being an addict but they were thieving scrotes before and after they were addicts.

The rest of my friends just use drugs and have fun they dont steal, they dont fight, dont hang around in gangs dont carry knives. They just work hard and have fun.

Now let's talk about alcohol I can walk down my local high street and get abused by the local p**s heads, over the last 4 years I have buried 5 members of our family 3 of which was solely down to alcohol abuse. Go out on a friday/ Saturday night and the streets are filled with people throwing up, fighting and passed out. And I know of loads ofpeople that alcohol has ruined their lives.

But alcohol is legal so its fine

 

[MOSSEP]

I agree with Millsy, all sorts of folk take 'drugs' everyday - alcohol, nicotine, pain killers, caffeine and cannot function without them. As soon as they are confronted with a 'drug' that is not legal but some definition drawn up by a government, they can get very pious about it.

Most people do it for fun and have no issue at all, unless its really affecting someones work then I'd not worry about it.

 

[Welder]

When you look at how many people are still killed through smoking it 9isses me right off...

 

[Deleted member 96286]

When you look at how many people are still killed through smoking it 9isses me right off...

Nicotene is one of the highest addictive drugs commonly in use, and a by product of tobacco products, and yet neither tobacco or nicotene have the same stigma as other so called recreational drugs.

• Tobacco kills up to half of its users.
• Tobacco kills more than 8 million people each year. More than 7 million of those deaths are the result of direct tobacco use while around 1.2 million are the result of non-smokers being exposed to second-hand smoke.

 

[Phil]

When I was an apprentice I blew my wage every weekend on drink and stuff, I was so skint Tuesday onwards I used to roam the streets and pick up dockers.

 

[Sharp Point]

Or just see if they fall down the toilet trainspotting style.

Come on not every body is a stereo type. Do you walk round upside down with a cork hat and saying strewth whilst swigging your fosters.

I started smoking weed when I was 16 between the age of 17 and 21 I probably took enough pills to kill off the kangaroo population chuck in a bit of speed over that time, always turned down smack as didnt look my kind of thing and couldn't afford coke back then. I cut down most drugs at age 21 apart from weed because my son was born and still did the occasional pill and then the odd bit of coke as we were starting to get that a bit cheaper.

A large amount of my friends still use drugs recreationally and out of everybody I used to hang around with back then 2 became heroin addicts over the space of 2 years and I know of 1 coke addict. Out of those 3 they all still worked to fund their habit and never stole a penny to fund their habit.

I know of 2 people that got sent to prison and blamed having to steal on being an addict but they were thieving scrotes before and after they were addicts.

The rest of my friends just use drugs and have fun they dont steal, they dont fight, dont hang around in gangs dont carry knives. They just work hard and have fun.

Now let's talk about alcohol I can walk down my local high street and get abused by the local p**s heads, over the last 4 years I have buried 5 members of our family 3 of which was solely down to alcohol abuse. Go out on a friday/ Saturday night and the streets are filled with people throwing up, fighting and passed out. And I know of loads ofpeople that alcohol has ruined their lives.

But alcohol is legal so its fine

love you bro, we could’ve been proper pals
Hell, where do you think society arose from? Ideas from expanded brains!
Again this f@cking stupid 180 second rule, good job really... coz I’m mullered and impatient.

‘ eat the rich’

love you bro, we could’ve been proper pals
Hell, where do you think society arose from? Ideas from expanded brains!
Again this f@cking stupid 180 second rule, good job really... coz I’m mullered and impatient.

‘ eat the rich’

love you bro, we could’ve been proper pals
Hell, where do you think society arose from? Ideas from expanded brains!
Again this f@cking stupid 180 second rule, good job really... coz I’m mullered and impatient.

‘ eat the rich’

I’m off to YouTube... old school progressive house

With vodka