is this quote fair? central heating upgrade

[firemant]

I see your point but we are in our 40s
and this is the forever home so not too fussed about future sale value.

Sorry, Mark, but someone in their 40's has a long way to go (hopefully). There is a lot of water to go under the bridge, and life rarely pans out as you expect (that is from personal experience).

The heating is part of the house, and should be designed as such.

I did not see where you said the heating circuit is 10mm, but if it is, and you are totally refurbing, then definitely repipe.

 

[firemant]

also one of the installers said they do not unstall wickes or n
b and q bathrooms as they always fail. is it a fair point in your opinion?

Yes, they have. But, personally, if I did bathrooms, I would fit anything you wanted. But you would be aware that YOU are buying/supplying the gear, any time spent chasing missing/extra bits would be chargeable at my standard rates, and ANY call backs would be fully charged as normal, unless it was a leak on my soldered joint. I also would not be booking a firm date until the gear has arrived, and YOU have checked it over and confirmed satisfactory condition.

Ultimately, all the above means you would probably decline my quote and T&C's, so, perhaps, after a while and many declined quotes, I would refuse to waste my time and take a similar stance?

 

[Riley]

Get your fitter to supply from a proper merchant not from a shed

 

[Ben-gee]

You say you're gonna live there forever, don't put a cheap sh!te bathroom in then!

 

[EvilDrPorkChop]

Serious question: On a modern UV cylinder, how long does the water keep hot?

Our 17 year old 170l Megaflo loses 8/9oc of heat over night, measured at 1/3 up from the bottom of the cylinder. That's with introduction of a bit of cold before we go to bed, and in the morning when we get up.

We only heat during periods 4pm > 10pm. None in the morning. Hope that gives you an idea.

 

[EvilDrPorkChop]

We'll fit anything but I always advise customers that the fitting costs/labour costs are the same as fitting expensive/upmarket gear unless it involves more work (Such as concealed cisterns, shower valves etc). So it seems daft to me to skimp on the materials if it'll have to be replaced sooner, as you'll only have to incur another fitment cost sooner.

 

[firemant]

Our 17 year old 170l Megaflo loses 8/9oc of heat over night, measured at 1/3 up from the bottom of the cylinder. That's with introduction of a bit of cold before we go to bed, and in the morning when we get up.

We only heat during periods 4pm > 10pm. None in the morning. Hope that gives you an idea.

Thanks. But I did say modern. 🙂

seriously though - are very new ones any different?

Do you find the 4 hours serves you with HW all day? Is the main usage post 4pm?

 

[EvilDrPorkChop]

Thanks. But I did say modern. 🙂

seriously though - are very new ones any different?

😛 No, I think a Tempest 200l looses roughly the same amount. A newer Megaflo is no doubly probably slightly better than this but I doubt much more.

 

[Tlee05]

Install a viessmann vitodens 111-w Its a Combi boiler with a hot water storage unit it’s a bit of beast but would easily work for your needs

 

[mark456]

any thoughts on an alpha flowmaster boiler?

 

[Riley]

I find alphas cheap and nasty if you’re looking storage combi then Vaillant Glowworm Viessmann

 

[Millsy 82]

But you will likely be hacked off and embarrassed if you have visitors and you have to say one at a time for the shower even though you have two. That’s what’s daft to me having two showers that you can’t use together. You might as well turn one bathroom into a walk in cupboard or something

If you would get embarrassed by saying dont take 2 showers at the same time then I think you need to live a little.

Or have 1 electric shower 1 mixer. Problem solved as long as you have the flow rate on the cold.

 

[Millsy 82]

Serious question: On a modern UV cylinder, how long does the water keep hot?

I would NEVER recommend fitting the wrong boiler to the house. The OP says they are stopping there for ever. Life is rarely that simple.

If you take no water out of the tank so introduce no cold what so ever then they reckon it's a couple of degrees loss a day. However as soon as you start to introduce cold water that loss becomes a lot greater.

But you would force someone to have what you want them to have even though a combi boiler would be ample for their needs and what they would like just because of the size of the house and because when they sell the house which they have no plans to do it then the next people have a system that may suit their needs.

What would you say if a customer wanted to remove the only bath in a property? No you cant do that the next people to buy your house might need a bath so you shouldn't remove it or would you say no problems have that out in a minute.

 

[firemant]

If you take no water out of the tank so introduce no cold what so ever then they reckon it's a couple of degrees loss a day. However as soon as you start to introduce cold water that loss becomes a lot greater.

Thanks

But you would force someone to have what you want them to have even though .........

I wouldn't try to fore anyone to do anything - I don't think I even implied as much. However, as the invited proffessional, it is expected that you offer advice. Sometimes the punter takes the advice, sometimes not. Ultimately, provided it is safe and legal, I would follow the instructions provided by the punter. But I am a great beleiver in paperwork, and my quotation would make mention somewhere that the quotation offered is for work specified, as opposed to recommended.

As for removing the only bath to fit a shower, unless personal circumstance dictates neccesity, then it is nuts. IMO.

 

[Millsy 82]

I wouldn't try to fore anyone to do anything - I don't think I even implied as much. However, as the invited proffessional, it is expected that you offer advice. Sometimes the punter takes the advice, sometimes not. Ultimately, provided it is safe and legal, I would follow the instructions provided by the punter. But I am a great beleiver in paperwork, and my quotation would make mention somewhere that the quotation offered is for work specified, as opposed to recommended.

As for removing the only bath to fit a shower, unless personal circumstance dictates neccesity, then it is nuts. IMO.

So what you would do is explain the pros and cons of both systems and that a combi boiler would easily cover the hot water usage of 2 people and let them decide?

So pretty much exactly what I said yet you disagreed with me then said you would NEVER recommend the wrong boiler to the HOUSE. How much water does a house use?

 

[Riley]

If you would get embarrassed by saying dont take 2 showers at the same time then I think you need to live a little.

Or have 1 electric shower 1 mixer. Problem solved as long as you have the flow rate on the cold.

Not a case of living a little and we will obviously agree to disagree but I think the whole purpose of two bathrooms is to have the option to use them simultaneously. Otherwise you might as well have one bathroom. I agree the electric shower option is a suggestion but surely you come across people who get an idea in mind and want to stick rigidly to it. These are the ones I won’t involve myself with because they are ultimately the ones that will moan afterwards or bad mouth you for doing the wrong thing even if it’s exactly what they asked for.

 

[firemant]

So what you would do is explain the pros and cons of both systems and that a combi boiler would easily cover the hot water usage of 2 people and let them decide?

So pretty much exactly what I said yet you disagreed with me then said you would NEVER recommend the wrong boiler to the HOUSE. How much water does a house use?

It wasted 10 minutes of my life, bit I eventually found where I disagreed with you:

Not for 2 people though. Surely the system should be designed for the proposed usage.

Which is a bit different to what you are now saying.

And |i still disagree with you, on that specific point 🙂

 

[Millsy 82]

It wasted 10 minutes of my life, bit I eventually found where I disagreed with you:



Which is a bit different to what you are now saying.

And |i still disagree with you, on that specific point 🙂

So you disagree that a combi wouldnt be suitable for a house with 2 people in it? Well loads of couples have them fitted in houses that they wont cope then even though they cope just fine. Best start ripping them all out and chucking unvented systems in then.

 

[firemant]

So you disagree that a combi wouldnt be suitable for a house with 2 people in it? Well loads of couples have them fitted in houses that they wont cope then even though they cope just fine. Best start ripping them all out and chucking unvented systems in then.

Probably the end of the road for this, once you run out of arguments annd start talking like a child.

 

[Riley]

Look it’s what each individual does. Make the best recommendation for the property. I win more jobs than I lose on this basis.