Kitchen draw hitting gas stopcock

[Shippa]

Hi, I have just had a Magnet kitchen installed and a new hob fitted on the 18th of May. It came to my attention shortly after, that the back of middle draw in the unit under the hob is just hitting the gas stopcock, I would say that the draw is not closing fully by about 0.5 to 1 mm. After several text messages, and his agreeance to come out, but failing to do so, I again asked if he would come out next week, his reply was "yes mate but I will have to charge to re-do this". My question is, is this unsafe? the draw is soft close and the back is made of thin flexible steel. I have his gas safe registration number on his certificate.

 

[Gasmk1]

not unsafe but not ideal will only take him 10 minutes to rectify.

 

[Rob Foster]

Looks like a 90. deg turn will sort it , drop test, alter, drop test is it the gas fitter or the kitchen installer hmmm
Rob Foster aka centralheatking

 

[Ben-gee]

Pull drawer out, hit the back panel from the outside with a ball-peen hammer to make a tiny 0.5 - 1mm indentation , put the drawer back and chill.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Depends do you mind looking at a eg you could drill a hole the same size so the draw fits over the valve

 

[Gasmk1]

complain to magnet if done through them as i said and rob explained its a ten minute job for him (if he is gas safe)

 

[Burger]

Get him back, and he shouldn’t be charging for the work as he’s not made sure you’re satisfied, nor is it satisfactory workmanship.

 

[Scott_D]

Aren’t those the gas taps with the gubbins at the back that shouldn’t be fitted anymore?

 

[Rob Foster]

Aren’t those the gas taps with the gubbins at the back that shouldn’t be fitted anymore?

Bes Gas Controls Electric Avenue Brum, the largest UK
supply outfit have them in their catalogue Centralheatking

 

[Rob Foster]

Get him back, and he shouldn’t be charging for the work as he’s not made sure you’re satisfied, nor is it satisfactory workmanship.

The point I was making is this
The GSR probably put the gas in BEFORE the kitchen was fitted, in the absence of a complete specification installed his work properly. So why should he carry the can ? The electrics look a bit near the knuckle as well in my opinion
is that a standard width utility space ...Rob Foster aka centralheatking

 

[Burger]

The point I was making is this
The GSR probably put the gas in BEFORE the kitchen was fitted, in the absence of a complete specification installed his work properly. So why should he carry the can ?

Perhaps yes, but also perhaps this could have been talked about (not dismissing it) at design and installation stage?

 

[Rob Foster]

Perhaps yes, but also perhaps this could have been talked about (not dismissing it) at design and installation stage?

Make Magnet pay, its their fault
in my opinion, they designed it I suppose and did not specify the clearance at the back, 99 x out of 100 they will get some fall guy to pay for the short falls in their specification. If that was a Health Service install it would NEVER be signed off
I know done plenty of medical work and the same standards should apply...Rob Foster aka centralheatking

 

[Murdoch]

What is that device the plug is plugged into (and no not the wall socket!)?

 

[Rob Foster]

What is that device the plug is plugged into (and no not the wall socket!)?

I saw as well not nice IMHO

 

[ShaunCorbs]

What is that device the plug is plugged into (and no not the wall socket!)?

Something like an rf switch maybe ?

 

[Murdoch]

Something like an rf switch maybe ?

Possibly but why isn’t the hob plugged in there?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Possibly but why isn’t the hob plugged in there?

Dunno

 

[Rob Foster]

Something like an rf switch maybe ?

The unit is plugged in to a socket really tight so how can it be serviced etc...very poor ..but this is always the interface with
kitchen designers, plumbers, GSr, tilers, plasterer it goes on
which is why if you have enough lolly get a proper outfit in whom will co ordinate everthing and MOST important
sort out the Snagging which is absent here
Rob Foster aka centralheatking

 

[ShaunCorbs]

The unit is plugged in to a socket really tight so how can it be serviced etc...very poor ..but this is always the interface with
kitchen designers, plumbers, GSr, tilers, plasterer it goes on
which is why if you have enough lolly get a proper outfit in whom will co ordinate everthing and MOST important
sort out the Snagging which is absent here
Rob Foster aka centralheatking

Draw pulls out probably

 

[Rob Foster]

Possibly but why isn’t the hob plugged in there?

aww its a cheap job poorly
organised ..Roast Lunch beckons

 

[Ben-gee]

In the real world this is the sort of thing that happens ( don’t forget op said 0.5 - 1mm).
I’m glad kitchen fitter didn’t just rotate fitting as he probably didn’t have nouse/equipment to check it wasn’t leaking.
5 seconds with hammer at time of install and I guarantee no-one would have been any the wiser and all would be good with the world.

 

[king of pipes]

Personally I dont fit that type of valve where it cant be seen I would use a 1/2 " bsp gas lever valve with soldered adaptors . Should be altered in my opion who pays hmmm tricky one . Kop

 

[Shippa]

The gas tap was there from the old hob in the previous kitchen installation.

I agree that turning the tap just a few degrees would fix it, and he was told about this.

I guess I was half hoping that you guys would say that this tap being hit many times over time could be unsafe; this would give me more clout when I approach Magnet for a resolution.

I paid Magnet for their gold installation package, which included the installation of gas and electrical units, so they are inevitably responsible to get this sorted.

Once again thanks for your time and help

 

[Harvest Fields]

The draw doesn’t close properly. That is their issue. Get them back out.

 

[Scott_D]

Is the kitchen fitter gas safe or has a seperate gas safe person come to do the hob?

 

[Burger]

I guess I was half hoping that you guys would say that this tap being hit many times over time could be unsafe; this would give me more clout when I approach Magnet for a resolution.

In terms of classification:

• at the present moment in time: not to current standards
• over time: at risk (mechanical damage)
• Eventually a gas escape would then become immediately dangerous

All in my opinion of course.

 

[king of pipes]

Could possibly cause a issue get the valve swapped then the problem is solved . Tkop

 

[Deleted member 32524]

It is a call back. F.O.C. Sometimes you need to do whatever it takes. This is a quick easy one. He should have found out the depth of cab utility space and fitted accordingly. They will not do that again.

 

[Ben-gee]

It’s 0.5mm, for all we know the gas safe could’ve got it all spot on - then the kitchen fitter scribed the unit in to allow for out of square and this created a problem with the valve.
These things are not always as they seem, as most of us know....

 

[Riley]

I think either way a foc call back

 

[Ben-gee]

Definitely foc to the customer, but just pointing out we can’t know whose fault it is.

 

[Shippa]

Just a quick update, the gas tap was left in place from the original kitchen fit during the new fit, when completed the gas safe fitter fitted the hob and connected it to the tap, his first attempt stopped the top draw from closing, so he had to do more work to rectify this. Anyway I will speak to Magnet along with the text messages, and photographic evidence, and see what they say. Thanks again for your time and input.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Just a quick update, the gas tap was left in place from the original kitchen fit during the new fit, when completed the gas safe fitter fitted the hob and connected it to the tap, his first attempt stopped the top draw from closing, so he had to do more work to rectify this. Anyway I will speak to Magnet along with the text messages, and photographic evidence, and see what they say. Thanks again for your time and input.

Don’t call them. Email so that you have a paper trail.

 

[Shippa]

Thanks I'll email, and visit them.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Thanks I'll email, and visit them.

If you talk to them make sure you log everything down.

 

[CHRISX]

Murdoch wrote:

What is that device the plug is plugged into (and no not the wall socket!)?

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Hello Murdoch,

I am fairly sure that as Shaun wrote the device in the electrical socket is an RF Remote Controlled socket.

I am guessing that the OP has this instead of the electrical socket being supplied from a switch above the worktop which would isolate the Hob or Oven ?

I bought a pack of 3 of these from Maplin a few years ago because I needed to keep rebooting a Broadband Router which was situated in a corner of a room behind furniture and I could then use the Remote control to turn the power off and on without either moving furniture or laying down flat on the floor and reaching under it.

However I would never use one of these to supply / isolate a Domestic Appliance - although the one`s that I have are supposedly rated for 3 Kw and are CE marked.

Perhaps other Members would not agree with that ?

Chris

 

[firemant]

Just a quick update, the gas tap was left in place from the original kitchen fit during the new fit, when completed the gas safe fitter fitted the hob and connected it to the tap, his first attempt stopped the top draw from closing, so he had to do more work to rectify this. Anyway I will speak to Magnet along with the text messages, and photographic evidence, and see what they say. Thanks again for your time and input.

Are you now sayong that the fitter left the gas valve obstructing a drawer that was already fitted in position?

If that is so, then definitely a FOC call back, as he is at fault.

Even if the unit was not fitted, it is, IMO, his responsibility to enquire as to what room he has available. But, as was mentioned earlier, if the unit positions were altered, and that caused the restriction, then I would not return FOC, unless it was very local

 

[Shippa]

Thanks, yes, exactly as your first paragraph says. I have spoken to, and sent an email with the photo and a transcript of all the text messages that I sent and received to the general manager of my local branch of Magnet, he assures me that this will be rectified ASAP.

 

[Rob Foster]

Check he is GSR and carries out a drop test before and after his work, no numpties on Gas
Rob Foster aka centralheatking