Low/ No Gas pressure...please help

[Bernie2]

My view is that most people know about Gas Safe engineers being required. They also know that if they are not competent they should not touch it even if it is in their own home. If they do not know that, then what are Gas Safe doing to promote safety?

One has to assume they do know the law. So there would appear little harm in telling them how things work. At some point you have to trust people to behave in a proper manner. After all you can watch doctors at work on the telly some even show you in detail. But do you go out and and operate on people?

 

[SimonG]

My view is that most people know about Gas Safe engineers being required. They also know that if they are not competent they should not touch it even if it is in their own home. If they do not know that, then what are Gas Safe doing to promote safety?

One has to assume they do know the law. So there would appear little harm in telling them how things work. At some point you have to trust people to behave in a proper manner. After all you can watch doctors at work on the telly some even show you in detail. But do you go out and and operate on people?

Nice analogy but imho not relevant as you wouldn't drop out your own appendix to save a few quid. I would like as you say to trust people but it is sometimes difficult.

I don't do gas, but would like to think if I did, and legally, I would know what to look for in the op situation without the cust having to trawl the internet to find a resolution. Even if i was stuck I would like to think I 'knew a man who could'. Something just seems off, but then that could just be the paranoia setting in, who said that 🙂

 

[M.Joshi]

With so many crooks and so-called GSR people around, people (like myself) come on here to obtain the correct information so that we are not fobbed off and are better informed.

If you're not happy giving advice in an open forum to the public then stick to the exclusive GSR forums.

 

[AWheating]

unfortunately although people know the law and right and wrong it will not stop them for what ever reason doing as they please. As a profession we should atleast try our best to avoid giving irresponsible advise. You cant control what people do with any information you give them, but you can try your best to avoid giving information when there is doubt about the legitimacy of the person or questions.

I cant see why some posters get upset when they get questioned about the reason's behind the posts, if they want an honest, safe and informative answer then why be defensive? some members even get upset and LIKE any post that seems to even question another member just because they dont like what was said in one post ( you can see patterns from some members and its petty)

ask yourself this. If the original post said ive fitted my own boiler and it wont work, please tell me how to fix it myself? what would your answer have been? i suppose atleast id like them more for the honesty.

 

[AWheating]

With so many crooks and so-called GSR people around, people (like myself) come on here to obtain the correct information so that we are not fobbed off and are better informed.

If you're not happy giving advice in an open forum to the public then stick to the exclusive GSR forums.

why do people need to ask detailed gas related questions if they are not either GSR or learning/training to be?? why do you need to be better informed about these things unless it relates to your job or future job??

if you cant see the argument that caution is needed when giving advise about such things and its not unreasonable to question some people then im lost 🙁

 

[M.Joshi]

I agree caution is needed but people come on here to be better informed because they have been stung/fobbed off in the past and also some of the tosh that some GSR people say when you speak to them to obtain quotes for repairs etc. - I don't mean that about most forum members on here who seem to know their trade well.

It's good to be better informed so that you know that the plumber/GSR person doing the work for you isn't fobbing you off.

I may ask technical questions but that doesn't mean that I will carry out gas work myself! I am just interested to find out the correct answer/solution.

 

[AWheating]

I agree caution is needed but people come on here to be better informed because they have been stung/fobbed off in the past and also some of the tosh that some GSR people say when you speak to them to obtain quotes for repairs etc. - I don't mean that about most forum members on here who seem to know their trade well.

It's good to be better informed so that you know that the plumber/GSR person doing the work for you isn't fobbing you off.

I may ask technical questions but that doesn't mean that I will carry out gas work myself! I am just interested to find out the correct answer/solution.

Iunderstand what your saying and agree that its probably a good thing to be well informed. You have to draw a line tho, giving technical answers or advise on how to test for things is not needed for a customer to be well informed. There has to be a line drawn in the sand between customer and engineer (trainee incl) when you give answers imo. If you have a customer having to go onto a internet forum to ask questions for her/his engineer the only real answer is to get a better engineer. If you was a customer and your engineer asked you to try and find answers you should be worried.

i cant say i have never given answers to poeple i wished i didnt, but im slowly learning its advisable not to if im unsure. Some posts are blantently a diyer wanting to work illegally. Some you just dont know and take a judgement, we are human afterall.

Im perfectly fine with tradepeople who want to learn and advance there knowledge asking questions, i myself wanted to understand electrics so went to college for 4.5 years to learn it. During that time i probably peed off pleanty of sparks asking question after question 🙁.

Reading posts and listening to customers it opens your eyes to how poorly the trade is viewed in many peoples eyes, the only gas engineers you see on tv are one ripping off customers because it sells and brings in viewers. Many customers expect to be stung as you put it, so as engineers i guess we all have some part to play in trying to lift the opinions of the trade. So even tho this is just an open forum maybe we ow it to ourseves to answer questions professionally. What exactly is the best way to do this is up for debate. You get accused of being a rip of merchant when you disconnect a dangerous appliance, or a wazock for suggesting somebody gets a competent person in..... sometimes you cant win,

i need a beer. 🙂

 

[AWheating]

With so many crooks and so-called GSR people around

this is one reason why i question giving answers in open forums, this is what many customers are thinking before they phone you up about work. Am i answering a question to an ilegall fitter? if so am i only helping make the above statement more true. but on the flip side the more we discuss technical issues and the more we all learn and become better engineers the better. Its a hard balance i must admit.

 

[Bernie2]

The problem is the questioner could find all the answers out, simply by buying a book, looking at MI's or going down to their main library and reading the relevant BS document for free. I like to think the person who I am doing the work for knows as much about the job as me. Then you get mutual understanding of what is involved. It is not necessarily that they will go away and work illegally. It is like speeding, it is entirely up to the driver if they decide to do so, but I would not stop a person from learning to drive just because they might speed. Its the same with a gun, having the knowledge or giving the knowledge about how to fire one is perhaps harmless, it is only when a nutter decides to kill that they become dangerous.


I can appreciate the point your making and to a certain degree I agree with you, but what if the person knows little about what they are doing but still decides to do it? Surely that is far more dangerous? As a young man I thought flying a glider looks easy, but when you learn what is really involved its a whole new game and you realise it isn't.

 

[mountainman]

I don't suppose this thread would have originated had the OP employed an engineer off of the Gas Safe website.

 

[M.Joshi]

I don't suppose this thread would have originated had the OP employed an engineer off of the Gas Safe website.

It would be great if everyone on the GSR website are as knowledgeable as most people on this forum but the sad fact is, they arent.

We shouldn't speculate on who the OP has employed to carry out the work.

Hopefully the OP will come back and answer all the questions above being raised about the installer!

 

[Rickster123]

What makes me laugh are the people giving out boiler advice without being qualified to do so! It really is a case of the blind leading the blind and I'm certain that in the not to distant future it will lead to trouble.

 

[M.Joshi]

I'm certain that in the not to distant future it will lead to trouble.

Seems as though you are quite sure about this!?

 

[mountainman]

It would be great if everyone on the GSR website are as knowledgeable as most people on this forum but the sad fact is, they arent.

We shouldn't speculate on who the OP has employed to carry out the work.

Hopefully the OP will come back and answer all the questions above being raised about the installer!

Who's speculating?
If even a novice GSR found themselves in this predicament all they would have to do is call in a Gas Safe Inspector who would visit the site and give them top quality advice free of charge.
What kind of 'engineer' gets their customer to post a question like this on an Internet forum?
Possibly one who's sole source of knowledge has been by posting questions on various forums.

 

[rodders]

What kind of 'engineer' gets their customer to post a question like this on an Internet forum?

Maybe the OP is the engineer...

 

[rodders]

This is a reccuring theme on these forums when people disappear, forum members automatically assume the OP has either come on here to find out how to solve the problem themselves or they are rogue installers!

I admit I do. Think about it. Double dip recession, free advice on here or get GSR engineer in. People will abuse this site... IMHO.

Sorry.

 

[mountainman]

Maybe the OP is the engineer...

Could be, we may never know.
BUT, no one knows everything and it would be nice if a poster who has received advice tells us if we were right.
To be fair most of the problems posted are easily sorted by someone knowledgeable on site.
All we get is limited information and maybe a photo.

 

[rodders]

Could be, we may never know.

I may be wrong, but I say this because they said "we" in the first post.

They didn't seem to know anything about gas work, but stated "first fix" before anyone else metioned this, seems a bit odd for them to be referring to first fix don't you think?

Also, the OP stated tapping into the gas meter etc, why is then engineer not sorting the problem out? Why tell the customer they may need to tap in before the meter, again doesn't seem right, seems to me IMO that the OP is the engineer trying to get advice for free from here.

The OP asks "Is the bigger meter size (i think you said U16) domestic or commercial? " Why would the customer need to know this? Also from a quick look I didnt see anyone say U16 (but I might of missed that!)

Lastly, user name of SARA and signed the name in the first post as Aaliya.

IMHO sounds like we are getting played, but as Mountainman says we may never know.

 

[M.Joshi]

Lastly, user name of SARA and signed the name in the first post as Aaliya.

I did wonder about this too rodders?

 

[AWheating]

any competent person reading the opening post would be suspicious imo, most experienced engineers that tried to reply questioned the thread for good reason. Righty or wrongly is a personal opinion i guess.

Its is a general forum rule to not give information to diy installers, just take a judgement on weather you think the op is genuine or not. Dont get upset tho if you dont like the responce's on an open forum.