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My mate's been working on gas meter stuff for years, now he's been unemployed for months. Yesterday he got a two week job £13.50 an hr, minus bits n bobs. The fella who is running the site, said he keeps getting 'fresh ones' that don't know how to do anything! They don't last...
Maybe if they paid better then they'd get more experienced tradesmen?
Maybe if they paid better then they'd get more experienced tradesmen?
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ecowarm
Taken from one of the sponcers (spelling mistake on purpose) web site ..... how to "Train to be a Plumber in 10 days"
This course has been deisgned to give you the time to develop your plumbing skills and knowledge and to enable you to achieve City & Guilds Level 2 unit accreditation.
The City & Guilds assessments are completed in the second week of the course and if required you will be allowed additional plumbing training at no extra cost to ensure that you successfully complete the unit assessments. The second week of the course is spent learning new aspects of plumbing such as heating systems although you will be practicing soldering, pipe bending and using compression fittings when you install the small heating system.
The best way to learn plumbing skills is to practice, practice, practice. This course, as with all our training courses, is intensive and aimed at providing you with as much quality training as possible in the time you are at the centre, therefore you will spend every hour of every day learning and practicing.
This course has an excellent mix of practical training and supporting knowledge training, as it is one thing learning how to practially complete plumbing work in the domestic market but it is another thing knowing the related theory so that you complete the work with no problems and no call backs due to poor work due to poor knowledge. Saying that though you will fit at least two full bathroom suites during the first week of the course as well as install a small heating system during the second week.
There are no more than 10 people on a course at any one time and each person will have their own training bay, tools and materials.
For full details on the what you will do each day please either phone 01782 837007 or call into the centre and see a course in action.
You will complete the following units.
Week 1
Now the photo of completed work on the website is amazing, I would think the Instructor/ Lecturer was a 10 day wonder to looking at the state of the work show below. If "Plumbers" are taught this, and are out the streets "Plumbing" God help us
I do like the position of the pump.
IMHO and not meant to offend anybody or any "Training" school
This course has been deisgned to give you the time to develop your plumbing skills and knowledge and to enable you to achieve City & Guilds Level 2 unit accreditation.
The City & Guilds assessments are completed in the second week of the course and if required you will be allowed additional plumbing training at no extra cost to ensure that you successfully complete the unit assessments. The second week of the course is spent learning new aspects of plumbing such as heating systems although you will be practicing soldering, pipe bending and using compression fittings when you install the small heating system.
The best way to learn plumbing skills is to practice, practice, practice. This course, as with all our training courses, is intensive and aimed at providing you with as much quality training as possible in the time you are at the centre, therefore you will spend every hour of every day learning and practicing.
This course has an excellent mix of practical training and supporting knowledge training, as it is one thing learning how to practially complete plumbing work in the domestic market but it is another thing knowing the related theory so that you complete the work with no problems and no call backs due to poor work due to poor knowledge. Saying that though you will fit at least two full bathroom suites during the first week of the course as well as install a small heating system during the second week.
There are no more than 10 people on a course at any one time and each person will have their own training bay, tools and materials.
For full details on the what you will do each day please either phone 01782 837007 or call into the centre and see a course in action.
You will complete the following units.
Week 1
- Install a fully operational bathroom suite comprising of a bath, basin and w/c, using copper pipe and end feed fittings.
- Install a fully operational bathroom suite comprising of a bath, basin and w/c, using speedfit pipe and fittings.
- Install a fully operational bathroom suite using a combination of pipe and fittings.
- Use compression fittings and flexi hoses within an installation.
- Complete pipe bending.
- Install a washing machine and a dishwasher.
- Remove and re-fit radiators.
- Know how to fit an outside tap.
- Understand different showers, there suitability for different systems and how to install different showers.
- Understand how to complete repairs to toilets, taps and pipework.
- Understanding domestic plumbing systems and drainage systems.
- Understanding fittings, traps, waste products, etc. and their suitable uses, terminology and jargon used.
- Understanding the different methods used to price jobs, dealing with customers and overcoming problems that may arise. You will also be provided with support after completing your course and you are able to contact your tutor, email or call into the training centre to discuss your queries.
- Complete City & Guilds assessment for level 2 unit certificate.
- Understanding different systems, open vented, sealed systems. Gravity, hot water and pumped heating. Summer valve system, Y-plan system and S-plan system. Combination and condensing boilers.
- Identify and understand the operation of the integral parts of a central heating system.
- Know how to plan the pipework for a heating system.
- Plan out and INSTALL a heating system such as Y-plan / S-plan.
- Fault finding and repairs of a central heating systemsuch as pump replacement.
- Maintenance of a central heating system.
- Drain, fill and pressurise a system.
- You will understand how the systems work; it is one thing being able to complete the work practically but it is very important that you know how and why so that your work fully functions.
- Understanding the different methods used to price jobs, dealing with customers and overcoming problems that may arise. You will also be provided with support after completing your course and you are able to contact your tutor, email or call into the training centre to discuss your queries.
- Fully answer all your questions related to the trade,you are taught by experienced tradesmen with a passion for the trade, ask as many questions as you wish during the course. You will never hear anyone say 'We don't cover that on this course'; we employ experts in each field so they are able to answer your questions.
- Full support after completing your course. If you have any questions relating to anything that you have covered on your course you are free to contact your tutor or the centre by telephone, email or by calling into the centre. There is no charge for this and you can call at anytime in the future.
Now the photo of completed work on the website is amazing, I would think the Instructor/ Lecturer was a 10 day wonder to looking at the state of the work show below. If "Plumbers" are taught this, and are out the streets "Plumbing" God help us
I do like the position of the pump.
IMHO and not meant to offend anybody or any "Training" school
im seriously considering going to oz, my mates over having a ball and is being sponsored so he can stay longer, on $2k a week doing ceilings and partitions, might go for it while im still young rather than regretting it when i'm old fat and bald
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ecowarm
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ecowarm
higher cost of living but better way of life imho, im only looking for a few years working holiday though nothing permanent
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PlumbBobBob
There was a time the old Cap & Gown meant something, employers and customers insisted on it as if it was the best maybe only way they knew they were employing a "Tradesman".
The tradesman was proud to be able to say, Yes I have served my time and I have the papers to show everyone the qualification that said "He knows his trade".
Maybe its time to tell C&G that they are destroying a system of standards that was recognised worldwide as a symbol of quality and now unless they change their ways a new method of certification will have to be found.
As for the training centres surely there must be a way to have them before the courts for mis-representing the courses they are providing?
I can not see any way that anyone could achieve the knowledge to put themselves forward as a plumber who knows his trade from a ten day course, the ad above is telling the unsuspecting possibly often desperate that they will have the skills necessary to start their business at the end of the course.
Those of us who have been in the trade rarely have a week where we don't come across something new, however it is the foundation of knowledge and experience that allows us to undertake each new project with confidence.
They are a scam on both the existing tradesmen, their trainees and the consumers.
The tradesman was proud to be able to say, Yes I have served my time and I have the papers to show everyone the qualification that said "He knows his trade".
Maybe its time to tell C&G that they are destroying a system of standards that was recognised worldwide as a symbol of quality and now unless they change their ways a new method of certification will have to be found.
As for the training centres surely there must be a way to have them before the courts for mis-representing the courses they are providing?
I can not see any way that anyone could achieve the knowledge to put themselves forward as a plumber who knows his trade from a ten day course, the ad above is telling the unsuspecting possibly often desperate that they will have the skills necessary to start their business at the end of the course.
Those of us who have been in the trade rarely have a week where we don't come across something new, however it is the foundation of knowledge and experience that allows us to undertake each new project with confidence.
They are a scam on both the existing tradesmen, their trainees and the consumers.
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ecowarm
I totally agree Pete, NVQ, C&Q are now worthless rubbish. I dont know where this will end, plumbers on minimum wage because every other person has a bit of paper to say that they are a plumber. They will soon be giving them away free when you buy a packet of Cornflakes.
I suppose it will slow when the public realise plumbers are not earning megabucks but £8P/H
I suppose it will slow when the public realise plumbers are not earning megabucks but £8P/H
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scotty plumber
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glenno1
I find it strange that up here(north) we get plumbing vacancies emailed for jobs down south and visa versa which makes me think is there realy any vacancies
Maybe it will be "Reviewed" when consumers start getting seriously injured by mistakes made by the new "Ten Day Plumbers"?
It doesn't take much being left out of a pressurised system to have a potential bomb left in a consumers house.
I went to a pellet boiler before Christmas where the PRV had been blanked off with an end cap, the reason was there had been a small drip from it.
The consumers are now asking for accumulator tanks, pressurised cylinders, solid fuel stoves being attached to existing systems.
A demo web site (not completed) I have is called Solar Repairs worth a visit to see the remains of pressure vessel that exploded and I think I may have the photos of the replacement vessel and pump station that had been installed, great technology can be lethal in the hands of those who can't appreciate the dangers of not doing a job properly.
If the link is against the rules mods please remove it.
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ecowarm
Maybe it will be "Reviewed" when consumers start getting seriously injured by mistakes made by the new "Ten Day Plumbers"?
Not in this country they wont, they will just apply more NVQ based test for everyone.
Like I had a ECITB Grade 5 Advanced Pipefitter card a few years ago and it was based on qualifications and experience. Now the ECITB have a new card and mine is worthless, I have spoken to them and the only way to get the latest card is to have an assessor come to site and assess me. I have missed the "Grandfather" rights cut off.
The same with lead work it now costs £2500 to get the
Not in this country they wont, they will just apply more NVQ based test for everyone.
Like I had a ECITB Grade 5 Advanced Pipefitter card a few years ago and it was based on qualifications and experience. Now the ECITB have a new card and mine is worthless, I have spoken to them and the only way to get the latest card is to have an assessor come to site and assess me. I have missed the "Grandfather" rights cut off.
The same with lead work it now costs £2500 to get the
Specialist Apprenticeship Programme (SAP) Heritage Leadwork NVQ Level 3
[h=3]Who should attend?[/h][FONT='Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif]Those candidates who have successfully completed the Metal Roofing NVQ Level 2 Lead/Hard Metals. [/FONT]Experienced leadworkers already working at the level of competence and wishing to work on pre-1919 heritage and listed buildings projects[FONT='Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif]. My City & Guilds is again worthless even the trade of plumber (worker of lead) [/FONT]
[FONT='Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif]So all my C&G and years of training and experience just get wiped out, and yes they had the "Grandfathers rights" as well, but if you dont work on a part of our trade for a few years do you forget all that was learnt and have to go back to an apprentice.[/FONT]
You never foget how to ride a bike and I will never forget how to boss an internal corner in sheet lead or how to develop a reducing branch on carbon steel pipe.
[FONT='Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif]I can ride a bike and passed my cycling proficiency, will I have to pass it again or an NVQ to get back on the road soon?[/FONT]
[FONT='Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif]So all my C&G and years of training and experience just get wiped out, and yes they had the "Grandfathers rights" as well, but if you dont work on a part of our trade for a few years do you forget all that was learnt and have to go back to an apprentice.[/FONT]
You never foget how to ride a bike and I will never forget how to boss an internal corner in sheet lead or how to develop a reducing branch on carbon steel pipe.
[FONT='Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif]I can ride a bike and passed my cycling proficiency, will I have to pass it again or an NVQ to get back on the road soon?[/FONT]
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mountainman
Perhaps we ourselves are authors of our own downfall to some extent.
Look at some of the really daft questions that get lots of replies but very few of the replies say 'get a plumber in'
After a while a persistent poster gets a green dot on their forum Id and bgin to dish out advice on a subject on which they have no knowledge other than that gleaned on this and other fora.
Look at some of the really daft questions that get lots of replies but very few of the replies say 'get a plumber in'
After a while a persistent poster gets a green dot on their forum Id and bgin to dish out advice on a subject on which they have no knowledge other than that gleaned on this and other fora.
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ecowarm
We can only give the correct info as we know it, and if someone is giving incorrect advise just keep correcting them polity and if they persist, report to mods
We can give advise to diy'er as long as it is not going to endanger anyone. You can't just say "get a plumber in" the forum would soon die a quick death IMO
We can give advise to diy'er as long as it is not going to endanger anyone. You can't just say "get a plumber in" the forum would soon die a quick death IMO
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mountainman
I'm not so sure it would die a death.
Most diyers understand their limitations and are pleased with the info given.
It is of course hypocritical to complain about 'six week wonders' devaluing our profession when we ourselves are creating 'armchair plumbers' who's tool kit mainly comprises of a computer and a Screwfix catalogue.
Most diyers understand their limitations and are pleased with the info given.
It is of course hypocritical to complain about 'six week wonders' devaluing our profession when we ourselves are creating 'armchair plumbers' who's tool kit mainly comprises of a computer and a Screwfix catalogue.
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Bernie2
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Bernie2
What is missing is not qualification but hands on experience. It is assumed because you have paper qualification you can do the job. Well I just read a book about how to fly and aeroplane, I am now going to pilot the Majorca flight. Anybody coming?
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