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Plumbing Academy feedback - c&g level 3

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Anakin

Having paid a small fortune to do the level 3 c&g course/ACS (mixed with nvq 3 and small little one day course things - though nvq3 whole area isn't explored - only handed a folder if you want to do it), having not found comments on that training centre already I thought I'd better start one.

Firstly, the centre was good. Not very good, but a solid good. The price would have cost more elsewhere, and these people are legitimate, unlike the many rogue companies out there. The qualifications are real, and the tutors knew their stuff.

However, I was sold the course that I would be a step away from being Corgi registered, and this course would involve intensive training on a wide range of gas appliances, with lots of boiler examination, i.e fixing boilers, stripping down and putting back together etc. Basically to be fairly efficient at boilers and how to fix them. At the price I paid, and the reputation it has I expected nothing less than an excellent intensive course to set me on my way to being Corgi registered. Having had over three years plumbing experience with a Corgi plumber (yes crap wages - but invaluable real life experience) and getting fully qualified as a plumber, the only thing left to do was to do my gas training...

Course was last year. I am no better off with what the course taught me. The large majority of the time spent at the centre was studing the theory at level 3 of plumbing, basically covering level 2 a in a bit more detail and learning gas safety. Having experience already, this task was quite tedious. The practical aspect, would involve the group watching the tutor twiddle with either a boiler, gas fire or water heater. Then after a while fiddle with the appliances ourselves. Thats about it. Later on at end of course, you have to pass a folder with various tasks, which are generally easy and don't require really any insight or skill to complete.

So, the next task is to find a Corgi plumber to help and train you to work through your one of the folders you receive, so that later once you have completed so many hours of gas on-site experience, you can return and then, and only then, sit the ACS exam.
I am self employed, and the guy I trained with uses me very often to help him out with his work. Generally on the days without me he does jobs involving gas, I'm not there so can't get on with my folder so stuffed really. I can understand he doesn't need me around when fixing fires or boilers or whatever. He has said to customers it isn't worth training people as they then take away your business. Also I can understand, of course. So where does that leave me? Pansed. Really pansed to put it nicely.

So, in conclusion, the course cost me £7,600 and though it saved me going to college one day a week for a whole year (centre took half the time - 5 months 2 days a week) and the course theory was good (now more of less forgotten) I realise I shouldn't have bothered. I believe firmly now the only way is the College route to start off with. Or a large plumbing firm willing to take you on, but as with all trades, people are in it for themselves so don't give a monkeys about anyone else.

On a good note, the staff were very nice. However, promises were made to many students, i.e the depth and level of the 'excellent training' and the list of ready and willing Corgi plumbers eager to have someone with them. Bull.
I have a better understanding of gas appliances and gas safety (knew a lot of it already anyway) yet even if I did get through my folder, my understanding and experience would not be anyway near by a mile to go into someones house and tinker with their boiler or gas fire.

Why on earth are there not government sponsored courses or companies willing to train people to a decent level, at a normal price, or better still, job opportunities with real training (yes to expect low wages for a while)?? Can't there be a waiting list for people to get these chances in life? The government wants a highly skilled workforce, yet won't butt in to do anything about it..
 
All I can tell you is from my own personal experience of changing my career at the age of 48 and doing an intensive full time course for the City & Guilds 6129 level 2 and then carried onto the City & Guilds 6129 Level 3 with ACS Gas Training.
I spent a long time looking at quite a number of different intensive course providers and being long in the tooth was not sucked in by a number who quite clearly were just after my money with the offer of a job after the course. Course time that could take me over a year and with charges if you do not pass there exams
I was commited to go self employed after completing the full tiem 6129 level 2 course and i did and, I must admit it was a bit of a shock from the Plumbing Academy's workshop environment to doing a job in a customer’s property. But, when you have a couple of jobs your confidence grows and you realise that you know a lot and Joe public knows not a lot. Case in point called out to a customer who had changed a radiator DIY Style from B&Q and had fitted a TRV at both ends of the radiator....
You must realise the limitations of what you will be able to do after doing the C&G 6129 Level 2 course which, in my case was general domestic plumbing jobs from fixing taps, changing hotwater cylinders, installing radiators on existing systems, guttering, lead work (don't like) to installing a bathroom no problem at all at this level. This is what you will be able to do and you can make a living from this I was earning around £150 to £200 a day self employed and as The Plumbing Academy, as part of there course, provided a great lecture on going self employed, how to get work and what prices to charge it gave me a great head start to succeed and I have.
I have recently completed my City & Guilds 6129 Level 3, ACS Gas Training, Unvented certification, Water Regs Certification, Energy Efficiency Course (20 weeks 2 days a week course), NVQ2 and NVQ3. I have recently completed my Gas Portfolio (don't underestimate on-work required here, and make sure you have you NVQ2 as it halfs the amount of gas work needed in the ACS as Portfolio) passed my ACS Exams and am now (three months ago) Gas Safety Register certification got. If you want to be trained to tackle most if not all Domestic Plumbing work and want be able to become Gas Safe registerd for Gas then you should do the 6129 Level 2 and 6129 Level 3 with NVQ2 and NVQ3 + ACS Gas training... then you will be able to earn a very nice living... But you will have to work sometimes long hours and weekends and I wish I had done it years ago. Sorry to everyone for such a long post but it might help someone else.

A Couple of final points to impress here. I was not charged a single penny more than I was quoted for the course and I did fail a couple of exams which, they let me retake at no extra costs. It was not any special deal just the way the Plumbing Academy works. I had a great experiance the trainers were fantastic and being with same group throughout the course and same teacher was great. I can not praise the honest advice i initially got from Geoff and Jim the Career Advisors (Plumbers in there own right0 and it proved to be just as they advised me and i have no nastly supprises on what I need to do to to become a sucessfull professional plumber and gas Engineer.
If you are considering a change of career I would recommend The Plumbing Academy to anyone looking to get the best training and professional advice on changing there career.
 
there are no goverment funded courses for adults because the country is a blink away from bieng bankrupt
 
The government won't set up training courses because there's no skills shortage despite what you are told before applying. Most guys are struggling just now and in the forseeable future
 
The government won't set up training courses because there's no skills shortage despite what you are told before applying. Most guys are struggling just now and in the forseeable future

there is no shortage yet. but in the next 10 years or so the amount of retiring plumbers would have outweighed those going into the trade. however now they are starting to churn out alot of plumbers into the industry that people will start to find it difficult to find work. so therefore those that arent competent/ do not know their stuff will struggle. the next skills shortage i think will be electricians.
 
Hi!

Its nothing new the industry has been like that for years. Employment follows the housing boom. And the construction industry is one of the first hardest hit, but usually one of the first to pick up.

At one time employers paid you for your holidays by giving you stamps that you could take from one employer to another, it was so common for people to be in and out of work.

If your looking for steady employment in Plumbing your probably best trying to get into the repair side of one of the big utility companies. At one time you would have said council, but the big landlords like councils or housing associations seem to put all their work out for tender now. So if you get in a company that wins a contract your only employed as long as the contract lasts or the company gets another one.

So my advice is get accustomed to being in and out of work in the construction industry if you want to stay in it. I left school in the 60's and worked in the game baring for about 2 years or so all my working life. In that time I have had 22 different employers and some of those I was with 6-7 years. The rest I was usually made redundant as the work ran out or the company went to the wall. That is what the game is like and by the way compared to many I had steady employment.

So you get accustomed to being on the dole at times. That I may add is in the North I don't know about the South.
 
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I've currently just finished my apprenticeship it's took me going on 4 an a alf years I gained my tech certs then upgraded to nvq 2 an 3 done my water regs, unvented an acs quals the problem is I was lucky gaining employment there is alot of dodgy plumbers about an the real people who want to work hard an professional don't get the chance !!!
 

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