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I have just been out to fix a leak for an elderly disabled lady. She reported the leak to her insurance company yesterday evening and they got a plumber to contact her. He telephoned and got her to turn off her heating and water and said he would get back to her, he never did and she was without heating and water for 16 hours.
However when I was there she was telling me about work that had been done over the past year or so and the problems she has had. She had a new kitchen fitted including having a new boiler fitted. The people who did the work never completed it and she is left with ungrouted tiling and no door handles, however the worst was they fitted the new boiler to some rotten wood and it started to come away from the wall. Somebody propped it up with some lengths of wood and the lady contacted environmental health for help (she did not have enough money to get another tradesman to sort it out), environmental health sent a company to sort it out. She showed me the job sheet stating what they had done and it listed the materials used, she said the council told her the bill came to £2500. Now after removing V.A.T. and materials (about £100 from the job sheet) then that leaves £2000 for labour, she said 2 guys came and they were there for 6 hours! Because she is disabled she got some sort of grant for £1000 but that left her with £1500 to pay which she hasn't got. The council told her the company who did the work have put a charge against her house for £4500, so she thinks that when she passes away they can claim £4500. I am not sure of that but it sounds like she is being taken advantage of.
She also told me that somebody, who is a friend, changed her bath, he charged her quite a high price and she said it seemed quite high. He told her he had made a step to help her get in and out of the bath, she had not asked for a step because she cannot get upstairs. The leak I was sorting was in the bathroom and this step is made of quite thin ply, it was also falling apart, the front panel was virtually falling off so I looked underneath and this is what I found
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It was lucky she could not get upstairs as if she had stood on this step it probably would have collapsed.
 
That is truly sickening. It would be nice if watch dog actually did take this up and do something useful. I don't know how some people sleep at night.
 
Really doesnt suprise me... Went into local merchants and he said that 28 one man bands have started up (end of college night classes) these guys think there plumbers, all they know is combi's and rave about getting paid £150 SELF EMPLOYED for installing a boiler!
 
Bring back public flogging

Nah. Just re-legalise hunting with dogs. No need to trouble the foxes, I have a different quarry in mind.

That's absolutely appalling.

Mick - does the lady have any family around? - this is something that needs taking up with Citizen's advice or trading standards, and if anyone who has sent her an invoice for any of this work belongs to one of the professional associations, them as well. If she doesnt have family, then probably AgeUK (used to be help the aged and age concern) might help.
 
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When I hear and see things like this it really does upset me.
My old Nan fell victim to some cowboys/gypo's/muppets (delete as appropriate) tot he tune of £8000 for gutters fascias and soffits, in her Three bed mid terrace ex council house.

I saw the other day in town,a little old lady being escorted to the cashpoint by some undesiarble characters. Wanted to say something, but something was holding me back ( my 2 YO son). Felt guilty for not saying something though
 
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I fitted a boiler for a guy a few weeks ago. Did him a very reasonable and honest price. They guy obviously is not short of money though.

Just before he met me, he had a plumber in who fitted him an undersink electric water heater a couple of weeks earlier. Charged him £1100. Electrics were already there (there had been an undersink there before he bought the place). The electrician who came to wire up the undersink also 'had to fit a new consumer unit', old one 'wasn't allowed'. Charged him £950 to change the consumer unit.

These 2 guys made 3 times what I made in labour for fitting the boiler, in half a day.
 
Probably very easily Steve. Lowlife bottom dwellers such as these have absolutely no moral compasses. The worst thing about these situations is they make us feel guilty for charging an honest and reasonable price for our work!
 
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yes i know, it just makes my blood boil to see the elderly exploited in this or indeed any way. they have given so much to this country and should be respected.
 
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Its only when you see stuff like this you can believe it actually goes on. As i see it that isnt bad workmanship its plain extortion there isnt any work there these people may aswell have gone in and stole the ladys handbag surely its crimminal.
 
As some have already mentioned, I don't know how these so called 'tradesmen' have the balls to charge/quote so much for work!

Whenever I quote/charge for work I always make it as fair as possible & think of the customer as if they were a member of my family, & what would I be happy for them to be charged.

I know this isn't necessarily the most effective way to do 'business' & make a reasonable living but I find it works & have had plenty of referral for doing a good job at a reasonable price!

As for treating the elderly or anyone in a similar vulnerable situation as the previously mentioned old lady, in such a disgusting manner as they have done makes me wonder what they would do to their own families?!?
 
As for treating the elderly or anyone in a similar vulnerable situation as the previously mentioned old lady, in such a disgusting manner as they have done makes me wonder what they would do to their own families?!?

Probably clean their bank accounts out. There is plenty of that goes on.
Such is the society we live in where for many; morals, scruples, or even common decency has given way to everyone for themselves and greed.
Some people have no shame.
 
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I think it would be a good idea to have to register any work completed in a property just like we have to with gas after seeing this.


2 weeks and you to can be a plumber on 70k.....sooner this lot are made illegal the better.
 
people go through life as so called tradesmen maybe 30-40 years but still are shocking at what they do!
 
Probably clean their bank accounts out. There is plenty of that goes on.
Such is the society we live in where for many; morals, scruples, or even common decency has given way to everyone for themselves and greed.
Some people have no shame.

Very true, common decency and moral responsibility has been abdicated to "the market place", where the main objective is profit, and 'the end' is frequently used to justify 'the means'.

But let's not pretend this is just about a few individual small-time traders, because one of Britain's largest, and once respected, national companies has led the way in this regard.

It wouldn't be appropriate for me to mention the name of that company in this post, but most people on this site will know who I am referring to.
 
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Such is the society we live in where for many; morals, scruples, or even common decency has given way to everyone for themselves and greed.

Very true, common decency and moral responsibility has been abdicated to "the market place", where the main objective is profit, and 'the end' is frequently used to justify 'the means'.

I don't think this is a new thing. Throughout history, there have always been scum.

Because we consume more in general now, there are probably more scummy consumer incidents in total than before, but I reckon that there are just as many good people and bad people as ever there was.
 
I don't think this is a new thing. Throughout history, there have always been scum.

Because we consume more in general now, there are probably more scummy consumer incidents in total than before, but I reckon that there are just as many good people and bad people as ever there was.

The fusion of a particular political ideology with economics as implemented some 40 years ago has produced a culture that accepts that profit is more important than moral responsibility. Individuals will shrug their shoulders and say: "this is just the way it is, what can I do?"

The irony with the tale of this elderly lady is that it could be taken as a warning not to trust small traders and to opt for the large scale national company I have referred to, which is to seek security in the arms of another bunch of rip-off merchants.

The only difference between the people you refer to as "scum", and the people I refer to, is the mantle of respectability they hide behind, which is "cleverly" maintained by the astute lawyers they employ.

The radical free market mentality we have had to live with over the past 40 years has provided psychopaths with a licence to prosper and to be seen as champions of the system by their actions, and it's not just the Bankers that have hit the headlines, there are plenty of large highly respectable organisations headed up by them.

In the greater scheme of things, Joe Bloggs, aka rogue trader, is a small-fry distraction from the massive scamming operations of the national companies that are ripping us off on a daily basis.
 
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