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Ok, I'm a spark visiting for some help so please go gentle with me.

We have been refurbishing a house completely (our own house) and prior to starting we had agreed a price to replace the boiler, all of the radiators and fit 2 x bathrooms and 1 x cloakroom.

During the work, very early on, it was suggested that rather than chopping around the existing pipework it would make sense to replace all the pipework. This would have been relatively easy as the floors were up, the ceilings were down!

So I've now been asked for £2000.00 contribution towards the new pipes.

I appreciate that this is a difficult question.

Thanks for reading and any answers.
 
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I don't understand. The customer wants you to pay £2000 towards the work done in their house?
 
You can a feck load of copper for 2k !! Does that include labour?
 
deandive said:
how much pipe is going in for £2000?
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Difficult to say, combined floor area over 2 floors is about 130 sq meters, about 13 radiators in total. Pressurised system, no tank, hot tank adjacent to boiler.
 
sounds a tad high to me if there is not much difference in the labour but its difficult to say either way really without knowing linear meters of pipe, pipe sizes and without actually seeing it
sorry that doesnt really help much
 
as a sparkie you must know of the estimate/quotation process, did you carry this out prior to the work commencing? if not you need to get some invoices and the parts and labour broken down to show where the monies going. However, if you are only now querying the cost, I can see you and your plumber falling out shortly.
 
There is a shed load more labour involved piping everything from new to just altering a few pipes for radiators.
How big is the house ? Copper still isn't cheap but 2 K would buy you a big chunk of pipe.
 
£180 bundle of 28 .. Say 2 bundles.
£140 bundle of 22 .. Say 2 bundles.
£ 70 bundle of 15 .. Say 3 bundles.
total £850. Waaaaay too much tube but I'm being generous, £150 on fittings.

unless that 2 grand includes extra labour I'd say he's mugging you off.

Edit.. Just read it includes labour. So it's not far off the mark.
 
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lame plumber said:
as a sparkie you must know of the estimate/quotation process, did you carry this out prior to the work commencing? if not you need to get some invoices and the parts and labour broken down to show where the monies going. However, if you are only now querying the cost, I can see you and your plumber falling out shortly.
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Its been suggested that £3300 would be the real price. As for falling out.... well so be it.
 
It does include the labour, which could be a fair lot of work.
Out of interest, who decided to go for a fresh install?
 
Write it up in any language, but he is ripping you off big time. Because he believes the job is already secured, he has now decided to go for the Jogular.
Ray S has got some realistic figures there. I am meant to be piping up a property. Two flats being returned to original state, so one house.
Ground floor
Lower ground floor
Lower first floor
First floor &
Second floor.
I have also suggested all pipework be removed and new ones to go in.
28mm two & half bundle of 3n lengths
22mm two and a half bundle of 3m lengths
15mm 3 & a half bundle of 3m lengths
(note that I have a passion for half bundles).
All that is no way near £2,000.
 
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APPlumbing said:
£180 bundle of 28 .. Say 2 bundles.
£140 bundle of 22 .. Say 2 bundles.
£ 70 bundle of 15 .. Say 3 bundles.
total £850. Waaaaay too much tube but I'm being generous, £150 on fittings.

unless that 2 grand includes extra labour I'd say he's mugging you off.

Edit.. Just read it includes labour. So it's not far off the mark.
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I dont sell it at those rates.

Again its another post with one side to a story. Without actually seeing the job, knowing what was included and what additional works have been done then nobody is in a position to say wether or not the op is being ripped off.

Get your plumber to register on herevand let him give the other side of the story.
 
Just out of curiosity...
What constitutes a 'bundle'?

We have 18m coils of pipe ( annealed ) or 6m lengths ( hard drawn )

Oz- Plumbe
 
oz-plumber said:
Just out of curiosity...
What constitutes a 'bundle'?

We have 18m coils of pipe ( annealed ) or 6m lengths ( hard drawn )

Oz- Plumbe
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bit old skool arnt you oz,when I worked out there all the tube outs were in crimp fit plastic,copper only for gas
 
2k for a repipe of a 130m2 house 13 rads 2 bathrooms and a cloakroom (kitchen? utility?)
Nothing expensive about that.
I'd have taken a lot more.
 
A spot on reply - and as v i says you are being ripped off - we are good on here and
like to help anybody centralheatking
village idiot said:
Write it up in any language, but he is ripping you off big time. Because he believes the job is already secured, he has now decided to go for the Jogular.
Ray S has got some realistic figures there. I am meant to be piping up a property. Two flats being returned to original state, so one house.
Ground floor
Lower ground floor
Lower first floor
First floor &
Second floor.
I have also suggested all pipework be removed and new ones to go in.
28mm two & half bundle of 3n lengths
22mm two and a half bundle of 3m lengths
15mm 3 & a half bundle of 3m lengths
(note that I have a passion for half bundles).
All that is no way near £2,000.
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I think more detail information is needed to say whether or not the price is too high. Piping house with the floors up and ceiling down is not too hard a job though.
 
i think that if he/she has repiped the entire heating, gas and hot and cold then it dont sound like a rip off.

without knowing the job specifics nobody on this forum can give you an accurate answer and any comments should be taken as a guess :)
 
if gas man bought 6m bundles, his windscreen would never be in place :)
 
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As a first year apprentice one of my xmas jobs was to peel the end caps off and cut a foot off the 20' lengths then put the cap back on.

Can't do that on 10' bundles and keep your job :lol:
 
sheff paul said:
bit old skool arnt you oz,when I worked out there all the tube outs were in crimp fit plastic,copper only for gas
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Yes..that's true.

Although we still use plenty of copper, plastic and composite pipe have taken over, even for gas work.
I just find the price of the fittings for some of the larger diameter pipes for plastic and composite pipe too expensive and depending on the job, it is sometimes beneficial and economical to run copper.

Oz-Plumber
 
It's a heap of money for pipe only. Does the plumb say anything else is included? Is the. £2k going towards the boiler and other materials? There's Mark up and there's mark up!
 
That is ace and will go in the big book of plumbing Thank you
Mind you there is a young man at Rays opertion doing just the same
all day every day 24 hrs a day 7 days a week - thats why Ray has a twin engine sqirrel chopper !
tamz said:
As a first year apprentice one of my xmas jobs was to peel the end caps off and cut a foot off the 20' lengths then put the cap back on.

Can't do that on 10' bundles and keep your job :lol:
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Never give that amount of cash out man.
Gonna have to get a few quotes I think,
give a few plumbers a call and
you can make a better judgement then its
up to you to make the best decision and
never let price be the deciding factor, you're
gonna have to shop around and
let a few quotes roll in and then
you can make a more informed decision, then its
down to which one you feel the best about, and
never feel pressured to give out cash because its
gonna end it tear and the plumber may go on the
run with your hard earned. Have a good look
around at local plumbers
and choose the one that best suits you and
desert the bad ones that ask for cash
you will make the right decision
 
I think everyone is forgetting that the plumber has probably added 25% because the customer is a sparky?
 
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