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The reason why the d.i.y. stores are allowed to sell gas parts etc, enabling the d.i.y. er to put everybody at risk is because they went to court and argued the point that it is restrictive under the freedom of trade act to stop them from doing so! It goes to show how many people are doing there own work because they are selling lots of stuff at silly prices that no tradesman would pay unless a dire emergency on a sun aft. Spoke to a gas safe inspector about this and they said we have tried to stop this a number of times but they have chucked the towel in. Should invalidate house insurance if you dont have your gas apps serviced annually = good all round for everybody
Maybe more people would use a registered installer if the costs were lower, unfortunately with current ACS and Gas Safe costs the installer has to charge a lot.
Can you imagine the outcry if all car drivers had to re-take a driving test every five years.
Yes I suppose cost is the main factor why you get people doing DIY. Some do like doing it for a hobby mind. The cost of gas training for ACS and the likes do add on a lot to running costs for a small company. If however, you consider how much money is made by gas suppliers and appliance manufacturers who are reliant on appliances being fitted by gas fitters, isn't it fair to ask for a large contribution from them toward training and ACS costs?
We even get boiler manufaturers seeming to want to charge you for learning how to service their equipment they should be paying you for wanting to do it.
Lets be honest wouldyou sell motor cars if nobody had passed a driving test that was required by law?
Surely safety is the object of ACS and to learn how to work safely should cost next to nothing.
our courts can not decide the definitive definition of competant,its not about safety its about jobs for the boys and taking money off of you,ask gas safe hse for figures about prosecutions and complaints about unsafe instalations,have they gone down since registration came in,how many ec unregisterd plumbers are prosecuted ?.i have been in this industry for over 40 years and i know many plumbers my age who are not registerd for gas,but still do the work and are a dam site more competant than most of the fast track gas fitters i have had work for me.you all seem to think there should be legistration to ensure work for yourselves.
How many gas fitters both 'fast track', registered and incompetent
And
'Old School', competent but unregistered have you employed Fuzzy?
If you are a major employer then perhaps you might consider paying your guys more money so that the older competent ones work for you legally and maybe even take a less experienced person under their wing and pass on their knowledge to the next generation.
not sure i follow your point.
im pointing out that to work on gas employed or self employed you must be registered. To be registeed you need your acs which is proof of competence.
If you work as a DIYer you only need to be competent, this may be through your acs but doesnt have to be, although i recon theres only a rare few who could prove it without
I would never employ anybody to do gas who was not registered
id never report a competent unregistered person working on their own home
So how does it work idf someone is competent to work on own home but when moving house cant issue a gas cert to build control ?
i bet you lose any gaurantees on appliances if a person who isnt gas registered works on them. apologies if this point has already been made....i havnt read entire thread!
The reason i ask is because i have recently come across the exact scenario of a non gas qualified person installing in their own home and upon sale no gas certs have been provided .
upon reporting this to gsr i got a response of pass it over to build control who have done a grand total of nothing !!!
If this is a case of the prior owner felt competent ( i have seen the work and say otherwise) then if nothing happens doesnt this make all this competent person irrelevant regarding someones own home??
The boiler has been registered although the fire hasn't been register and when i looked at it its an ID scenario upon smoke test (spilling). To me in some scenario's the gas laws are not overly helpfull.
I'm not saying their is anything wrong myself but its how joe bloggs has interpreted it as in the competant person .
Why dont they just say you cant work on gas at all unless you have taken said appropriate persons course in competancy , just my opinion from experience in this case i have recently come across
Just fitted a new combi in my own home. Been a plumber for the last 24 years (Time served) . Did my acops when that was on the go. Got my acs ccn1 and cen1 and was gas safe through the firm I previously worked for till they folded last year. Fitted any amount of boilers on new build sites for them. Even though acs certs don't run out till 2013 I am no longer classed as gas safe, but there is no chance I am gonna pay another bloke to come round to fit my boiler when I am totally capable myself. Obviously boiler warranty is now void cos I cannot sign off the benchmark. How many more plumbers have been in the same situation?.
Just fitted a new combi in my own home. .... Obviously boiler warranty is now void cos I cannot sign off the benchmark.
Don't worry. You know it is fitted correctly, if something does fail, you will also have the skill and ability to repair it at minimal cost.
DIY Gas fitting is not recommending. This includes the installation of Gas appliances such as cookers and fires etc.
Always use a gas safe registered plumber for all your Gas plumbing requirements.
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