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Total understand and agree with the forum policy regarding non GSR persons not being given information that encourages them into breaking the Law. However the demarcation as I understand it is the combustion seal, flue pipe & of course the gas pipe connection ? It should not, IMHO, extend to the wiring, so can one of you MOD's please explain why that last thread was stopped ? What can & can not be talked about and who is making those decisions to pull the pug ?
I do know that it is not easy to control but this should be an open proses if this fine institution is not going to end up as just a joke telling site interspersed with a few posts asking how I can get into Plumbing.
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chris watkins said:
Total understand and agree with the forum policy regarding non GSR persons not being given information that encourages them into breaking the Law. However the demarcation as I understand it is the combustion seal, flue pipe & of course the gas pipe connection ? It should not, IMHO, extend to the wiring, so can one of you MOD's please explain why that last thread was stopped ? What can & can not be talked about and who is making those decisions to pull the pug ?
I do know that it is not easy to control but this should be an open proses if this fine institution is not going to end up as just a joke telling site interspersed with a few posts asking how I can get into Plumbing.
CW
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i believe its because the cover is part of the air supply to burner, so should be gsr
 
Guys. I welcome your views but I'm moving this thread to the arms. I'd rather we show a united front in open forum.
 
My understanding of it is. An electrician can wire a boiler as long as a GSR is there to check it. Most of the time a boiler is wired though it has to be comissioned afterwards anyway.
 
Some one better tell City & Guilds (& summit skills) who set what plumbers have to know, cos the L3 includes 100+ hours of electrical installation all around wiring heating systems & boilers but there is no requirement for them to go on to do there gas !!
If we go down that road then only a plumber with an un-vented ticket will be able to wire-up an immersion just in case. There are always cross overs & demarcation points, for that matter should we be touching any wiring if we have not been electrical trained ?? (& I am not talking about a Part P ticket)
 
It's the blame factor "where there's blame there's a claim"

yes your honour my client was advised by bod from the Ukpf , o he was , was he.

office to get bod's bum in my court so we can sue him
 
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I've been in a course, when I was on the cards, that they said enabled me to wire a boiler via a plug as long as the flex wasn't more than 2 meters long.
I don't know how legit it was or if it was some in house type thing, but as far as I'm aware, we can wire via a plug we just can't fit a spur.
 
You also realise by telling someone how to repair there own boiler your doing a legit gsr guy out of a potential job
 
it could be a delineation problem imo,
Sparkies forum is for sparkies only.
Plumbing forum is advertised as for diy and professional plumbers.
 
Sadly these days everything is down to liability. Although changing a stat on some boilers may not involve anything gas related it still could have a detrimental effect on the safe operation of the boiler. It's a hard job to decide what's acceptable information to give out on public forums and what's not.
 
As I said to Chris in a pm, the reason I closed the thread in question was because, 9 times out of 10, the case has to removed to access the wiring point. It wasn't having a pop at the 2 guys in that thread but more to stop have a go heroes coming along after the fact, reading that and then taking the case off to wire in rf. I don't just think here and now but also what could be.
 
Wiring a Vaillant requires the combustion cover to be removed. So you have to be gsr to wire it or a least checked by a gsr before being fired after its been wired.
 
We should close the Central Heating Forum. People see the words "Central Heating" and think of boilers. It's getting beyond a joke the amount of gas boiler related threads that are reported and closed EVERY day from the CH Forum. Rads and all the general heating topics could easily be discussed in the Plumbing Forum instead.

No one likes to see lots of closed threads containing the same GSR rhetoric, but unless there's change, it will just keep going on forever in the CH Forum.
 
Have been informed by gsr in the past that when cover of boiler is removed its classed as gas works.The problem being is that alot of people come on here with my boiler is doing this or that and expect an answer to possible problem .As for sparks doing anything on the heating then they are welcome to it as from my experience of sparkies and heating i have yet to find one that can wire in a plug for a boiler never mind a y plan
 
Change it to the boiler forum, put a big sticky on it. Saying gsr,s only given advise.
 
What you need is when you click on the central heating forum is a notice prior opening the page saying only cylinders ,pumps,rads etc to be posted here
 
I know 4 regulars on here that have gained profitable jobs from us eyes in the sky closing threads , saying put a post in the I need a plumber section.

so that's like erm us generating work from the forums for each other
 
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Like all businesses these days it is all about managing the risks, if there is a real threat of prosecution / claim from people receiving advice on here that can not be protected buy disclaimer or insurance then we might as well all pack up now & close it all down.
If there is a risk of a claim on the GS side then it will be the same across all the other forums & as my name is up there & I am not that difficult to find I think I might stop posting !!!
 
chris watkins said:
Like all businesses these days it is all about managing the risks, if there is a real threat of prosecution / claim from people receiving advice on here that can not be protected buy disclaimer or insurance then we might as well all pack up now & close it all down.
If there is a risk of a claim on the GS side then it will be the same across all the other forums & as my name is up there & I am not that difficult to find I think I might stop posting !!!
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be careful what you post gas safe sponsor us,finding you is much easier than you think you have a ip address a registered phone line) if someone died as a direct result of advice given on this forum what would you tell the prosecutor if your name was in the frame?this is why we close threads that contain such posts if you want to talk gas join the appropriate forum
 
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Just add a bit more info in the subtext under 'Central Heating Forum' on the main board explaining what advice you can and cannot expect to be given. If a new thread looks like it's heading towards a potential DIY no-no then anyone can just quote or link to the guidelines in the subtext.

If they get in a hissy fit about it then it'll be there problem for not reading it first. Doesn't matter what you name a forum category there's always going to be the demanding type who rush straight in. It's just one of those inevitable things that can't be 100% controlled.
 
You can worry too much about these things.

For all the urban myths about people suing for this or that, does anyone know of a single case of such litigation?

I suggest asking Dan what his position is. As the forum publisher he is probably at greatest risk, although to be honest, I would evaluate that risk as being vanishingly small.

Use common sense, don't encourage people to tackle dangerous things, be aware that the thread may be read by a muppet in 2 years time, but don't overreact.

In another part of my life, I have to give safety advice in a sport where people are trying to hit each other. We had a similar liability panic a few years ago, and we disappeared up our own backsides. Then we did some rational risk analysis, and realised that the biggest cause of injury was still the same as it always had been. And that injury cause was failure to warm up before a bout, causing muscle strain. We spent all that time worrying about something that never happened, and ignored the low level thing that really happenend every day.
 
If gas safe sponsor this forum then i presume they get full access ? do they give any input to the mods??
Being nosey now lol
 
Ray Stafford said:
You can worry too much about these things.

For all the urban myths about people suing for this or that, does anyone know of a single case of such litigation?

I suggest asking Dan what his position is. As the forum publisher he is probably at greatest risk, although to be honest, I would evaluate that risk as being vanishingly small.

Use common sense, don't encourage people to tackle dangerous things, be aware that the thread may be read by a muppet in 2 years time, but don't overreact.

In another part of my life, I have to give safety advice in a sport where people are trying to hit each other. We had a similar liability panic a few years ago, and we disappeared up our own backsides. Then we did some rational risk analysis, and realised that the biggest cause of injury was still the same as it always had been. And that injury cause was failure to warm up before a bout, causing muscle strain. We spent all that time worrying about something that never happened, and ignored the low level thing that really happenend every day.
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I know of it on another forum about 3 years back , not gas but similar gyst
 
Unfortunately we're living in an increasingly more litigious society. It may never happen, i hope it doesn't, but the possibility is always there that a fatality could happen and this forum and it's members be blamed.

All we can really do is try to keep the forums as safe for you without compromising the advice being given.

Don't know about you lot but Mama Croppie's little soldier is far too pretty to be lifting the soap in the shower for Mr Big!
 

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