Not Happy with the eye's in the sky !!

[Billy Bob Bob]

It could become unsafe and it wouldn't be a room sealed boiler anymore.

Most modern condensing boilers have a burner which is under positive pressure. Now if a burner seal was to fail, products of combustion would be entering the room if the case was removed. With the case in place, the products would be contained inside the boiler casing.

Lots of Baxis, Vaillants and Glow Worms have had issues with burner seals failing, I wouldn't like that to happen and have the case removed!

baxi have never had one fail on a duotec what model are you referring to ricky?

 

[dancinplumba]

So what sort of PPE do you guys have to use while you work on such dangerous pieces of equipment ? What is it breathing equipment, CO alarms, heat proof gloves not to mention the heat proof visor just incase the door seal goes when you are having a look. Your risk assessments & method statements must be a nightmare to write. I can understand why there is such a premium paid to GS engineers now it really danger money. :hand:

Come on, you are talking to one of your own now, not a customer. I know my way around a boiler & I am not suggesting that the casing be left off when in normal operation.

well, if you were one of us you would know 😉

 

[zeebeedee]

So what sort of PPE do you guys have to use while you work on such dangerous pieces of equipment ? What is it breathing equipment, CO alarms, heat proof gloves not to mention the heat proof visor just incase the door seal goes when you are having a look. Your risk assessments & method statements must be a nightmare to write. I can understand why there is such a premium paid to GS engineers now it really danger money. :hand:

Come on, you are talking to one of your own now, not a customer. I know my way around a boiler & I am not suggesting that the casing be left off when in normal operation.

So your working on boilers unregistered?

 

[R1CKY]

baxi have never had one fail on a duotec what model are you referring to ricky?

Older Baxi models, with the red burner seals that go powdery.

 

[chris watkins]

It could become unsafe and it wouldn't be a room sealed boiler anymore.

Most modern condensing boilers have a burner which is under positive pressure. Now if a burner seal was to fail, products of combustion would be entering the room if the case was removed. With the case in place, the products would be contained inside the boiler casing.

Lots of Baxis, Vaillants and Glow Worms have had issues with burner seals failing, I wouldn't like that to happen and have the case removed!

Ok R1ck, dancin, steveb, & Leo can you tell me the difference in practical operational terms what the difference is between a boiler,oh, lets say a Viessmann Vitodens 100 or 200 W (standard enough boilers, yes ?) running case off & one being installed with an open flue vertical flue kit where it draws it's its air from the room ??? No ? not installed one ? well very handy to know if you are stuck with replacing an old open flued boiler with no horizontal flueing routes, worth a look ! Page 23 [DLMURL]http://www.viessmann.co.uk/content/dam/internet_uk/literature_new_website/dpg_sep2012_4web.pdf[/DLMURL]

 

[chris watkins]

So your working on boilers unregistered?

Only my own, the rest I leave for others to get there hands dirt on. (I am competent CCN1 + just not GSR)

 

[CES]

Perhaps someones pulling some folks chain on here...:lol:

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[CES]

I take it thats you Chris?

 

[villa_tom]

No point in falling out over this lads. People will always have different views. It's better when everyone doesn't agree anyway it'd be boring if we agreed on everything all of the time.

Chill man 🙂

 

[Leo21]

Can't be rsed to read it, I don't fit veisman. But on the mi.s of the boilers I fit, it says competent person all over it. Which isn't a sparky or a customer, although I do agree taking a case of in itself is not dangerous. They don't know that, and if you say "oh that's ok" where does it stop. Fiddling round inside, changing components etc etc.

 

[dancinplumba]

Ok R1ck, dancin, steveb, & Leo can you tell me the difference in practical operational terms what the difference is between a boiler,oh, lets say a Viessmann Vitodens 100 or 200 W (standard enough boilers, yes ?) running case off & one being installed with an open flue vertical flue kit where it draws it's its air from the room ??? No ? not installed one ? well very handy to know if you are stuck with replacing an old open flued boiler with no horizontal flueing routes, worth a look ! Page 23 [DLMURL]http://www.viessmann.co.uk/content/dam/internet_uk/literature_new_website/dpg_sep2012_4web.pdf[/DLMURL]

Ok Watkins' case off/open flue, potential flue gases into room. case on, flue gasses outside, no one dies 🙂

 

[chris watkins]

I take it thats you Chris?

No, I don't recognise that fat bugger, never seen him before in my life. There must be a few chris watkins out there or he is masquerading as me one of the two. :innocent:

 

[R1CKY]

That is handy to know! But I'd imagine (or at least hope) that the burner, being positive pressure, would still be encased inside a sealed chamber, with the air supply being drawn in under negative pressure, so if there was combustion leak it would be very difficult for POCs to escape in to the room. Plus not forgetting that an open flued boiler would have permanent ventilation provided.

 

[chris watkins]

Ok Watkins' case off/open flue, potential flue gases into room. case on, flue gasses outside, no one dies 🙂

Have a look they can be installed as an open fan flued boiler i.e they draw there air from the room not from outside !

 

[dancinplumba]

Have a look they can be installed as an open fan flued boiler i.e they draw there air from the room not from outside !

they are operating as open flue and the room must have correct ventilation

 

[dancinplumba]

No point in falling out over this lads. People will always have different views. It's better when everyone doesn't agree anyway it'd be boring if we agreed on everything all of the time.

Chill man 🙂

shame we carnt swear ;-)

 

[chris watkins]

Sorry if some have taken offence it was not my intention, just wanted a true debate on where the bounders lay, not according to GSR or others with a vested interest but with the people working day to day with this stuff.
It is a form of close shop & quite rightly so, it cost you enough money to belong. It is just when in incorrect technical justifications are put forward that it can get out of hand. I just wish we could take forward this idea of protecting other hard gained skills & on going costs to protect other areas of the industry not just the gas side.
Thank to all who contributed to the debate.
CW

 

[R1CKY]

I've certainly not taken offence to anything you've said! Been an interesting debate!

 

[dancinplumba]

looking at the pics, the boiler casing is on !! if its removed, the fga readings will be altered as there is less resistance to the air being pulled into combustion chamber 🙂

 

[dancinplumba]

Sorry if some have taken offence it was not my intention, just wanted a true debate on where the bounders lay, not according to GSR or others with a vested interest but with the people working day to day with this stuff.
It is a form of close shop & quite rightly so, it cost you enough money to belong. It is just when in incorrect technical justifications are put forward that it can get out of hand. I just wish we could take forward this idea of protecting other hard gained skills & on going costs to protect other areas of the industry not just the gas side.
Thank to all who contributed to the debate.
CW

but you are posting incorrect technical justifications, stop being so patronising, who the f c u k