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Tamz- Again, thanks. Your input is appreciated. He was talking about 8bar on dry and still insists its ok. Even Gas safe didn't correct him. I only have his say so that they said that, but if its true, then that's worrying.
 
I think an easy way to explain why compressed air is dangerous. Get two balloons blow air into one and fill the other with water, stick in a pin in each, one will go bang and the other dribble

Very true. Nice analogy.
 
Afraid to say many companies use this method to test hydraulic pipework both in the domestic and commercial world. 3,4,6 bar is not uncommon with little regard for the safety of those in area of such tests.
 
Tamz- is there any document that states this. If it is a code of practice surely something is available? I really want to change this guy's way of testing. I'd hate for something bad to happen.
 
Afraid to say many companies use this method to test hydraulic pipework both in the domestic and commercial world. 3,4,6 bar is not uncommon with little regard for the safety of those in area of such tests.

that's the problem when you don't regulate our industry properly and force companies to cut corners. It's bad times ahead and will probably get worse.
 
Apologies but I've got to ask something again;

This friend of yours was talking about carrying out an 8-bar pressure test using air on a copper gas carcass inside a domestic dwelling?
 
Yeah. Not always 8bar but any pressure. In his mind it's not a consideration. 8 was just an example of roughly what he does.
 
Testing at 8 bar could be very dangerous. If anything were to happen it would be his rse in a sling. No one including him, should be nearer than 3m to any pipe under test at 8 bar

Here is an excerpt from a certain book on how to test with air (i've taken some parts not relevant out). The same risks apply to any pipe tho.

PROCEDURES – PNEUMATIC STRENGTH TESTING
A thorough survey of the pipework section, to detect any major integrity defect, shall be carried out before testing, including inspection of certificates, NDT, etc.
Note: This survey may entail checking the accuracy of any plans, any other information provided and the mechanical integrity of installations.

As far as is reasonably practicable, joints should be exposed during the strength test and indications of leakage sought using leak detection fluid (LDF), but only after the pressure has been reduced to MOP for the section.
It shall be ensured that all pipework and components have been designed, installed and anchored to withstand STP.

A risk analysis shall be carried out to confirm that the risk involved is acceptable. If it is not, then hydrostatic testing shall be carried out.

Before testing, the following actions shall be taken:
• ensure all isolation valves are plugged securely or blanked off and the valves are in the open position to ensure the valve body is tested
• where necessary, remove any component that is not to be included in the test (see clause 4.4.1). Install spool pieces or blanks
• ensure there is a means of pressurising the system either with dry compressed air or nitrogen (above freezing point if expanded from bottled nitrogen)
• incorporate (in the connection of the pressurisation medium to the section) suitably adjusted regulators and a full flow safety valve(s) to prevent pressurisation above STP.

An exclusion zone, in accordance with Table 2, shall be set up around the area of any pipework section for which STP exceeds 1 bar. The minimum distance for persons to be from the pipework is based on STP and the volume of the section being tested. Personnel shall not be within this distance of the section while pressurising and during the stabilization and test periods.
Note: In general, this will mean that the pressurisation equipment and test instruments are also outside this area, the latter being piped into the area in small bore pipework. The distances detailed in Table 2 are based on the centre-line of the pipework and extend both sides.

A final inspection of the pipework section shall be carried out to ensure that it is ready for the test (it shall be ensured that any exclusion zone is clear of all personnel - see Table 2).

If STP exceeds 2 bar, a check for general integrity, for example for open ends, shall be carried out at a pressure of 350 mbar.

The pipework section shall be pressurised slowly. If STP exceeds 2 bar then, after reaching 2 bar, the section pressure shall be increased in 10% stages up to STP leaving a short period between each increase in pressure.

Following a satisfactory test the pressure in the pipework section shall be vented and pipework left in a safe condition. Any exclusion zone then can be re-opened for all site personnel.

The strength test shall be documented and included in any site Health and Safety File. Results should be recorded on a formal certificate, a copy of which should be given to the owner/operator of the pipework tested.
STP and MOP shall be recorded clearly and be available for reference by any party subsequently working on the installation.
 
On all other issues he's spot on and knows his stuff. It's probably more common than people think that people aren't aware of this danger. I mean, testing a system for leak without risk of flooding. What could be better than that?
 
It is not illegal but it is dangerous and should only be done after a thorough risk assessment and method statement are prepared.
The only pipework to be tested with high pressure compressed air in my view should compressed air lines. Therefore testing of any other pipelines using this method and injury or fatality occurring would mean the party performing this activity would face the full force of the law. Whatever method statements or risk assessments he or she put in place.
 
I would agree completely you should avoid compressing air too much in a domestic situation as it has too much stored energy which it can release instantly I think you still want to be right no matter how this thread twists and turns he now pressurises to 8 bar whatever next
 
Tamz- That's perfect. I'm gonna print it out and give it to him. If you ever run for prime minister, you got my vote.
 
I would agree completely you should avoid compressing air too much in a domestic situation as it has too much stored energy which it can release instantly I think you still want to be right no matter how this thread twists and turns he now pressurises to 8 bar whatever next

Of course I want to be right. Who wants to be wrong? I was taught this so I know it to be true. You're judging my motives incorrectly, though that judgement may be by your own standards.
 
I'm having a dispute with a gas engineer who insists that it is ok to pressure test pipework with air. I told him it's extremely dangerous. He has since asked Gas Safe and they've told him, apparently, that it's ok too.
Now I know that it is illegal unless it is done under certain conditions such as everyone has to leave the building and a complete risk assessment has to be carried out.

Does anyone know what regulation covers this so I can prove to him once and for all? I can't seem to find it anywhere but I know it exists.

Lol I must of left a lot of exploding houses in my time lol
I pressure test new builds in air in winter and water in summer for obvious reasons
Copper and air exploding lol what about the air around all copper pipework lol
 
If you ever run for prime minister, you got my vote.

10% tax rate under 50k 75% over 150k
Bankers shot on sight until they clean up their act
No council tax or infact any other tax for pensioners
Benefits stopped and soup kitchens for those on the buroo for more than a year
Free beer and whisky for anyone over 6ft if they are working
I don't think i would get many votes :lol:
 
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10% tax rate under 50k 75% over 150k
Bankers shot on sight until they clean up their act
No council tax or infact any other tax for pensioners
Benefits stopped and soup kitchens for those on the buroo for more than a year
Free beer and whisky for anyone over 6ft if they are working
I don't think i would get many votes :lol:

Where do I make my mark? Sounds about right to me.
 

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